post JEDI..come on!!!

[Temis the Vorta]

I haven't read the post-ROTJ books but to me, the most interesting dramatic possibilities come from Leia becoming a Jedi - since she and Luke are apparently the only ones left with the potential - and the problems and dangers inherent in a couple of novices playing with the fire of the Force, figuring it all out as they go. Luke would be Leia's teacher but it would be a bit like the blind leading the blind.

From what I understand of the novels, Leia just marries Han and becomes a housewife. Or maybe continues in politics, which isn't all that much better in terms of what interests me. I have no problem with Han and Leia being married and having kids, tho.

(I'd also erase Luke's "mastery of the Force" from ROTJ - personally, I never bought it, that the green farmkid would become a Jedi master so quickly and we didn't see the transition so it lacks dramatic punch. I'd have all that be more of a show than real, for a "reset" in the post-ROTJ series, so that we can actually observe the process going forward and buy into it.)

I see no reason why the post-ROTJ TV series has to follow the novels - for people who've read them, the sense of surprise will be gone, and for those who haven't, the novels don't matter anyway. Better to do something original.

And I'd be heretical and recast the roles with actors rather than going the animation route.

 

[FalTorPan]

From what I understand of the novels, Leia just marries Han and becomes a housewife.

The Force would help with those tough-to-clean stains.

Or maybe continues in politics, which isn't all that much better in terms of what interests me.

Politicians are weak-minded... "You don't need to vote for this tax increase. These aren't the pork projects you're looking for."

 

[Skywalker]

Unfortunately that doesn't seem really possible, what with the Legacy comics locking in events 100 years post-Jedi.

Or, I suppose you could say that *is* itself another definer. I wouldn't know, haven't read it.

I'd say that Legacy is the new definer. You should definitely read it, it's the best EU going right now.

From what I understand of the novels, Leia just marries Han and becomes a housewife. Or maybe continues in politics, which isn't all that much better in terms of what interests me. I have no problem with Han and Leia being married and having kids, tho.

For just about all of the Bantam-era novels, Leia remains in politics as the war continues (and eventually ends), helping to establish the New Republic. She even serves as the Chief of State for a time. She doesn't start seriously focusing on her Jedi training until the Del Rey novels.

(I'd also erase Luke's "mastery of the Force" from ROTJ - personally, I never bought it, that the green farmkid would become a Jedi master so quickly and we didn't see the transition so it lacks dramatic punch. I'd have all that be more of a show than real, for a "reset" in the post-ROTJ series, so that we can actually observe the process going forward and buy into it.)

No need for a reset. Luke continued his learning for the better part of a decade (in-universe) after ROTJ, and wasn't really a Jedi Master until then.

I see no reason why the post-ROTJ TV series has to follow the novels - for people who've read them, the sense of surprise will be gone, and for those who haven't, the novels don't matter anyway. Better to do something original.

Any TV series would have to follow the novels because they do matter. That's one of the things I love about the Star Wars EU--everything is canon unless explicitly stated otherwise (such as the Holiday Special, or AU Infinities stories).

 

[Gaith]

I love the Thrawn trilogy, and though it was nice to see Luke and Mara hook up in the Hand of Thrawn duology, my post-ROTJ interest pretty much ends there. I wouldn't mind seeing pre-ROTJ stuff, a bounty hunter series or even way-in-the-past Old Republic stuff, but I've got little interest in seeing bigger and bigger threats face the New Republic.
I'm generally all for sequels, but I admire Rowling for saying that there won't be a bigger threat to the HP gang than Voldemort. Toss in enough new enemies and the whole terror of the Empire being historically awful gets lost in the fray.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Since it's all one unified canon, yes, any post-ROTJ animated series would have to conform to what's been established in the post-ROTJ novels.

That didn't use to be the case, did it? Books being canon, and all that?

 

[nx1701g]

Since it's all one unified canon, yes, any post-ROTJ animated series would have to conform to what's been established in the post-ROTJ novels.

That didn't use to be the case, did it? Books being canon, and all that?

Star Wars uses a different canon than most series.

STAR WARS CANON:

• G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

• T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.

• C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

• S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

• N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.

 

[Lindley]

Since it's all one unified canon, yes, any post-ROTJ animated series would have to conform to what's been established in the post-ROTJ novels.

That didn't use to be the case, did it? Books being canon, and all that?

The decision to unify the novel continuity was made in the early 90s. Since then, the only significant contradictions have come from Lucas via the prequels----and most of them have reasonably convincing explanations. For example, Dark Force Rising places the Clone Wars 50 years earlier (41 years before ANH). But if those are Noghri years rather than Galactic Standard Years, then the difference is reconcilable. Frankly, given Obi-Wan's apparent age in the OT, the 50 year timeframe made more sense anyway.

Nearly every creature that was even glimpsed in a SW film seems to have been given a backstory in some novel, short story, animated cartoon, comic book or video game. How about something not directly tied to any film?

The novel line has moved well beyond the films. New books are frequently based more heavily on the stories and characters established by previous books (even outside the ongoing miniseries) than on the movies at this point. A few of them have even foregone movie characters entirely-----I believe Traitor (an excellent read) fits this category.

 

[Unicron]

IMO Dark Empire is responsible for most of the excesses people complained about the early EU.....

How so? Just curious mainly.

Is that the comic trilogy where Luke goes and joins the Dark Side?

Yes, he joins the dark side in the first part of the trilogy in an attempt to find a weakness from within. Luke is not the first Jedi to have made such an attempt, but it is exceedingly dangerous.

 

[Jono]

IMO Dark Empire is responsible for most of the excesses people complained about the early EU.....

How so? Just curious mainly.

Is that the comic trilogy where Luke goes and joins the Dark Side?

Yes, he joins the dark side in the first part of the trilogy in an attempt to find a weakness from within. Luke is not the first Jedi to have made such an attempt, but it is exceedingly dangerous.

It has things like force storms that can pick someone up and transport then 100s of lightyears into a cell or wipe out fleets. The superweapon in the galaxy gun that can remotely destroy planets, the World devastators that slow eat planets and are unstoppable. An emperor that keeps returning by force essence clone thing. Stuff like that has gained some criticism, its very similar to the complaints that are often thrown at Kevin J Anderson's work in Star Wars.

That said, I enjoyed the series, particularly Dark Empire 1.

 

[Chris227]

Regarding Temis's post, Leia does become a Jedi by the time of the "Dark Nest" trilogy, in which she has retired from politics (Although she had previously done Jedi things in "Dark Empire" and some of the other novels). She does marry Han, but she doesn't become a housewife in the previous novels-and although she does become a major politician, she does get involved in a lot of action.



Also regarding Luke's mastery of the force, it's clear from "Heir to The Empire" that although Luke is officially a Jedi Knight, he still has a bit of a ways before he becomes a Master.


It is conceivable that any Lucas-approved Post-ROTJ product could overwrite continuity. The new CG Clone Wars is already bulldozing certain aspects of previous Clone Wars EU, including the previous 'toon, and even some later EU such as the Han novels (Which potray Jabba's role in the Hutt clans much differently).

 

[ALF]

Last year (or 06?) there was a sweeeeet fan made trailer for a New Jedi Order CGI series or something.

Tales of the New Republic.
http://www.talesofthenewrepublic.com/

It ended up being a hoax / film project or something. But it looked amazing, and I will never understand Lucas being so unwilling to continue the story from after ROTJ.

I know what he says officially is "that's when the story ends" but sucks to your asthmar. It would be amazing. Just like the Jedi purge that will supposedly be the theme of the live 2009 TV series (no Clone Wars for the prequel haters), why not the purge of the remnants of the Empire?

 

[Rarewolf]

there's somewhere near 60 books set post-Jedi. among them are:

Truce At Bakura (immediate post-Jedi) in which Imps and Rebels fight alien invaders at the ponymous planet.

and the 19-book New Jedi Order series in which extra-galactic aliens invade.

I've just come to this thread from the ST:XI one.

Despite all the non human characters, I've never really seen SW as about fighting Aliens. How does it play out?

 

[captcalhoun]

well, i can't speak about TaB since I've not read it, but NJO is an overblown epic saga as the aliens march across the Galaxy Far Far Away from the Rim to the Core, conquering and slaughtering, take Coruscant and ultimately fall to the powers of Zonama Sekot, a living sentient planet with Force Powers (yes, really).

Trillions are dead, trillions more homeless as their planets are transformed into living factories to produce the organic weapons and ships of the invaders and Nothing Will Ever Be the Same...

it coulda really done with being about half as long and with a less ludicrous ending.

 

[Skywalker]

Yep, Nothing Will Ever Be the Same...

Until the next plot-moving trilogy set five years later, in which just about everything is exactly the same as it was before NJO.

God, I hated that series.

 

[Lindley]

Despite all the non human characters, I've never really seen SW as about fighting Aliens. How does it play out?

The Yuuzhan Vong command bioengineered organic technology unlike anything the New Republic had seen before. Creatures capable of generating mini-singularities on command to block laserfire, for example. They initially win several overwhelming victories and establish a strong foothold on the Rim. They have an intense hatred of tech in general, and droids in particular.

The advantage goes back and forth with each side innovating new tech adjustments and tactics to counter the abilities of the other. However, the Yuuzhan Vong press inexorably onwards. As only the Jedi have had any significant success against them----despite their apparently invisibility to the Force----the Vong begin hunting the Jedi specifically, as do illegal appeasement groups. After the capture of the Jedi Academy on Yavin IV, Luke moves the trainees to the converted Star Destroyer Errant Venture, formerly a casino ship run by the father-in-law of one of his best Knights.

After the fall of Coruscant to the Vong, the New Republic is essentially finished as an independent entity; the remaining leaders join with the Imperial Remnant, the Chiss Ascendency, and a few smaller groups to form the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, or Galactic Alliance.

The tide begins to turn when some of the Vong underclass begin to revere the Jedi as religious icons, since they have access to powers the Vong had never conceived. When the symbiotic planet Zenoma Sekot is found (the planet isn't alive, but all life forms on the surface are interconnected), it poses an irresistible lure to at least this segment of the Vong population.

I don't recall precisely how it all played out, but most of the Vong go to live on ZS, their attempts at conquest tempered with the defeat of their leaders. A few are still around.

And yeah, the Legacy of the Force series should have emphasized the changes wrought by the Vong invasion more than it did.

 

[Unicron]

It has things like force storms that can pick someone up and transport then 100s of lightyears into a cell or wipe out fleets. The superweapon in the galaxy gun that can remotely destroy planets, the World devastators that slow eat planets and are unstoppable. An emperor that keeps returning by force essence clone thing. Stuff like that has gained some criticism, its very similar to the complaints that are often thrown at Kevin J Anderson's work in Star Wars.

True. However, I have less of a problem with the Force Storms being used this way by Palpatine, given that he's the strongest Sith who has ever lived. And he only does this twice in DE 1 anyway. Officially, it's been suggested that his statements to Luke about having died more than once are lies, and that he hasn't really been inhabiting new clones for as long as he claimed to have been. Works for me.

The Galaxy Gun was perhaps one of the more practical superweapons, in that only its projectiles were mobile and highly protected. The weapon itself was permanently orbiting Byss and protected by the remaining Imperial fleet, making it a lot harder to directly assault than the Death Stars or the World Devastators.

My only minor complaint is that I wish Empire's End had followed the art style of the other two parts of the trilogy.

 

[sidious618]

FWIW I really enjoyed the New Jedi Order series. Certainly much more than the Legacy of the Force series.

 

[JediKnightButler]

I for one would definitely like to see some adaptations of some Post-ROTJ stories. While the new Clone Wars series looks great, I can't help feeling like it would've been much more worthwhile to do a new TV series focusing on a time period that hasn't already been IMHO pretty well explored, the post-ROTJ period being by far the most ripe for such exploration although even the time period between ANH and ESB could also be explored more since apparently there was approximately 2-3 years between the events featured movies and features all of the major (and most popular) characters from the OT.
The THRAWN TRILOGY is probably the most ideal candidate IMHO for a post-ROTJ animated adaptation, particularly given the fact that most people consider it to be Episodes 7, 8, & 9.
I haven't read any of the New Jedi Order series (other than some of the information being referenced in the Legacy of the Force series) yet so I don't know much about that time period but am working on the Legacy of the Force series, which is pretty interesting so far (sad that some characters are absent or have been killed off *sniff*).
Dark Empire I was a pretty good story but how the Force was used in that movie seemed a bit exaggerated at times (i.e. Force Storms)
Shadows of the Empire would make for a decent adaptation, especially considering that it heavily features Darth Vader, has a decent story, and "connects the dots" between ESB and ROTJ. I tend to think of it as Episode 5.5.

 

[misskim86]

The problem with Dark Empire imo is that we all know everything will end up good. Also they have to come up with bigger and bigger weapons all the time, first the planet destroyers then the missile.. it gets stupid after awhile. And when problems do get solved it's like nothing ever happened.

What they need to do is to come up with a bad ass bad guy again and focus a lot on him, several books, not just 1-2 books. There are so many Darth's out there but none is so menacing as Vader since we never get to read about them

 

[DarKush]

Of the three post-ROTJ products I think would make good cartoons/movies:

-Dark Empire
-Thrawn Trilogy
-NJO

I think each of these works have compelling villians and epic enough storylines to justify making a movie for. Another I would like to see as well, Crimson Empire, Pt.1 perhaps as a sequel or something to Dark Empire. Dark Nest might be interesting. I think that LOTF was too poorly executed to be a great series of movies or cartoons. However, if they beef up Jacen/Caedus more as a villian it might be pretty good.