Post-Destiny Myriad Universe story?
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1. I for one have no interest in watching Star Trek: Battlestarship Enterprisica.
2. The Borg were simply too powerful, and too numerous, for it to be believable that even a small handful would escape them. Without the intervention of extra-dimensional entities like the Q, Prophets, or Caeliar, the Federation and its allies would be toast. Period. The Borg wouldn't leave 00.01% of their species alive; they'd leave 00.00% alive. They would drive the Human, Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite, Betazoid, Grazerite, Risian, Klingon, Romulan, Pandrilite, Denobulan, etc., etc., races extinct. Period. They were just too powerful not to win.
Anyone who's read David's blog knows how ridiculous the idea that a Star Trek novelist can afford a yacht and helicopter is.
Sci, thanks for the link to Mack's blog. Will check it out when more time permits.
IIRC, something like eight thousand Borg cubes came through into Federation space, and of that 8k, some 5-6k survived contact with Alpha/Beta Quadrant defenders to begin marauding through. That's still a lot of cubes to avoid, but said cubes appeared to be more interested in destroying the surfaces of planets and inhabited moons as well as obliterating fixed installations such as Starbases to bother overmuch with individual vessels, unless those ships in question were defending the fixed targets.
Say five cubes arrive at Planet A; hundreds of shuttles and dozens of larger ships and several starships flee, having received the order to take off and save themselves. Four cubes devote their resources to devastating the planet, while the fifth cube tries to round up those leaving. Many fall...but more escape, try to rendezvous with a surviving starship, and head out in search of other survivors. The Borg, determined as they may be, don't have the ability to obliterate them ALL, especially if they're heading to all points of the compass. Sure, they'll focus their attentions on a Galaxy-class ship defending a group of passenger shuttles, which would enable, say, a Nova-class or something smaller to get away. Get enough Novas together and you've got something to organize an fleet with.
And larger ships farther out, beyond the range of recall, would have even more time to fashion their escape, coordinate it with other ships, obtain resources, etc.
It's a rough analog to the Global War on Terror. The U.S. has the capability to reduce large parts of the Middle East to radioactive ash, just as the Borg had enough cubes to wipe out nearly every Alpha/Beta Quadrant inhabited planet in the fullness of time (say, how much time DOES it take to render a planet's surface lifeless? Do I then have time to round up all of those ships that just left, getting farther out in all directions for every second I pour energy down from the heavens?), but we don't quite possess the resources to put EVERY human who professes a belief in Islam (something like 1/4 to 1/5th of the planet's population) to the sword.
And for every one of them who escape and tell the tale to others, there's a growing resistance...which is not so futile after all.
IIRC, something like eight thousand Borg cubes came through into Federation space, and of that 8k, some 5-6k survived contact with Alpha/Beta Quadrant defenders to begin marauding through. That's still a lot of cubes to avoid, but said cubes appeared to be more interested in destroying the surfaces of planets and inhabited moons as well as obliterating fixed installations such as Starbases to bother overmuch with individual vessels, unless those ships in question were defending the fixed targets.
Say five cubes arrive at Planet A; hundreds of shuttles and dozens of larger ships and several starships flee, having received the order to take off and save themselves. Four cubes devote their resources to devastating the planet, while the fifth cube tries to round up those leaving. Many fall...but more escape, try to rendezvous with a surviving starship, and head out in search of other survivors. The Borg, determined as they may be, don't have the ability to obliterate them ALL, especially if they're heading to all points of the compass. Sure, they'll focus their attentions on a Galaxy-class ship defending a group of passenger shuttles, which would enable, say, a Nova-class or something smaller to get away. Get enough Novas together and you've got something to organize an fleet with.
And larger ships farther out, beyond the range of recall, would have even more time to fashion their escape, coordinate it with other ships, obtain resources, etc.
It's a rough analog to the Global War on Terror. The U.S. has the capability to reduce large parts of the Middle East to radioactive ash, just as the Borg had enough cubes to wipe out nearly every Alpha/Beta Quadrant inhabited planet in the fullness of time (say, how much time DOES it take to render a planet's surface lifeless? Do I then have time to round up all of those ships that just left, getting farther out in all directions for every second I pour energy down from the heavens?), but we don't quite possess the resources to put EVERY human who professes a belief in Islam (something like 1/4 to 1/5th of the planet's population) to the sword.
And for every one of them who escape and tell the tale to others, there's a growing resistance...which is not so futile after all.
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One point that must be make: wiping out 95% of your species, of the inhabitants of alpha/beta quadrants IS a victory for the borg by any definition of the word.
Guinan can fool herself otherwise - it doesn't change a thing.
In battlestar galactica, too, the cylons won when they killed BILLIONS of humans - all that followed was just an insignificant epilogue.
But I agree that at least ~5% of the alpha/beta population would have survived - the slipstream technology guarantees this. All the survivors had to do is escape in intergalactic space, to other galaxies. Considering the unimaginable immensity of intergalactic space, the borg would never have found them:
"Space is big. Really big.You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is." - and that's peanuts compared to intergalactic space.
As it is, 'Destiny' redefined the term 'pyrrhric victory' - or, to be more exact, 'pyrrhic deliverance' by the gods of night.
I doubt such a story could be told without "siphoning off Galactica".
If you want a story depicting what if the Borg won, there's always The Worst of Both Worlds. It shows an alternate reality where The Best of Both Worlds didn't have a happy ending. I think IDW reprinted an anthology of it a year or so back, so it should still be easily available.
Personally, I agree with having the Myriad Universes books be alternate spins on events from the television episodes and movies. There are people who have an interest in the Myriad Universes books who don't read the other Trek novels, specifically the Destiny trilogy.
Wormhole, is The Worst Of Both Worlds a comic story arc (you mentioned IDW, a comic publisher), or are you referring to the Mirror Universe story of that name by Greg Cox?
In general, I agree with you that the Myriad Universes stories should pertain to the televised episodes and movies, as that's probably all that 90% (or maybe even 99%) of Trek fans know...but as the events of "Destiny" have had such an impact on Trek literature these past two years (and, Your Honor, precedence for non-televised Trek has already been established with the inclusion of a New Frontier story in one of the Mirror Universe anthologies, by the way), I certainly view "Destiny" as ripe with possibilities.
There would surely be uncharitable comparisons to Battlestar Galactica, but someone much smarter and more skilled than I could find a way to make a great MyU story out of it. I'm just sayin'.
In general, I agree with you that the Myriad Universes stories should pertain to the televised episodes and movies, as that's probably all that 90% (or maybe even 99%) of Trek fans know...but as the events of "Destiny" have had such an impact on Trek literature these past two years (and, Your Honor, precedence for non-televised Trek has already been established with the inclusion of a New Frontier story in one of the Mirror Universe anthologies, by the way), I certainly view "Destiny" as ripe with possibilities.
There would surely be uncharitable comparisons to Battlestar Galactica, but someone much smarter and more skilled than I could find a way to make a great MyU story out of it. I'm just sayin'.
"The Worst of Both Worlds" was the name of a storyline by Michael Jan Friedman in DC Comics' Next Generation series, in which the Enterprise-D crew passed into a parallel timeline where Picard had not been rescued in "The Best of Both Worlds" and the Borg had conquered Earth.
It's collected in IDW's Star Trek Archives: Best of the Borg.
Actually, there have been MU stories for all of the series except Challenger (which ended long before the MU series started) and SCE (there was supposed to be a companion E-book for Shards & Shadows but it was cancelled when the series was). Althought TBH I really don't know if Destiny would be a familiar enough to the casual fan to really be worth something like this though.
^ Can anyone give spoilers on what the Mirror version of SCE would have been like?
Thanks, guys; it was the IDW portion that threw me off. Turns out I do have that in my collection of DC's TNG comics. I didn't know IDW collected DC stories somehow.
For what it's worth, the book is on-track for December. We recently approved our back cover blurbs, so I imagine they'll be released into the wild sometime soon.[/QUOTE]
What were the back-cover blurbs? Were this year's entries same format as last two, three novella-length stories? Or a collection of a half-dozen to a dozen shorter stories, like the third volume of Mirror Universe?
Mr. Laser Beam said:
They travel around the Empire, breaking stuff.
Since he said they'll be released "sometime soon," I doubt he's in a position to tell you himself.
Yes.
Answers those particular questions, or at least properly defers them. Perhaps more information will be made available after Shore Leave. Thank you, Christopher.
While a Pakled ship follows them around, cleaning up their messes and doing three impossible things before breakfast each day.
"We are smart!"
How did Destiny actually come about in the first place?
Was a massive Borg invasion of the Alpha Quadrant something that was planned from the beginning of the Next Generation Relaunch?
Or was it a story idea that was conceived later, after the events of "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor"?
Was a massive Borg invasion of the Alpha Quadrant something that was planned from the beginning of the Next Generation Relaunch?
Or was it a story idea that was conceived later, after the events of "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor"?
^ After. Editors Clark and Palmieri went to David Mack with the Ships Of The Line image of the Columbia being found in the Gamma Quadrant, and asked him to do a huge crossover trilogy built around that. They wanted it to incorporate ENT but not TOS, since the new movie was TOS, and little was known about it at the time and they didn't want to contradict it. (IIRC, no one knew it was an alternate timeline yet.)
David Mack was the one that said, after bringing the Borg back to the table in the prior TNG-R books, if the trilogy was going to have a sense of finality, it really needed to deal with them.
David Mack was the one that said, after bringing the Borg back to the table in the prior TNG-R books, if the trilogy was going to have a sense of finality, it really needed to deal with them.
And where Riker had a bad-ass eye patch.
