Possible new turn in the Apple vs Flash war...
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It's possible that the specification that JavaScript must be run with WebKit was done to prepare for Apple rejecting Opera Mini, which doesn't handle JS natively on the iPhone; it's pre-rendered on Opera's servers to reduce the CPU load on the phone. Opera's argument would be that the Opera Mini iPhone isn't actually running JavaScript, so it doesn't fall afoul of Apple's requirements, but Apple could well be laying the groundwork to argue otherwise, that Opera's servers aren't using WebKit and even though the JS is interpreted elsewhere, it's still a violation and thus a reason to reject.
Use programming language as a reason to mess with Adobe, use WebKit as a reason to mess with Opera. Apple likes to make things a moving target.
Apple does want to control the experience, but I woudn't say that they 'don't care' about opening 'things up.' Apple has been a champion over the years for various free and open standards... when it helped their own selfish ends. If the end result of the spat betwen Apple and Adobe is a major push into HTML5, I'm pretty happy with the 'ends justifying the means' in this circumstance. Apple is on top of an emerging market for the first time in decades: since the Apple II. They are going to jealously protect that position and do whatever it takes to stay there, even if it leaves a bad taste.
Well sure. Like any company they just do what gets them the most profit. When this leads to policies that support the industry as a whole, then I support them. When it leads to policies that don't, then I don't. In this case, Apple is engaging in what I consider to be anti-competitive behavior and the people who have the most to lose is everyone... users, developers, etc... except Apple. Why would anyone support a move by a company that's going to hurt them?
EDIT: And to add... this isn't about Apple controlling the experience, because they already do that. This is about Apple controlling the development pipeline, which affects the entire market.
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Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2010
http://crackberry.com/adobe-flash-now-arriving-blackberry-second-half-2010
Add Android and webOS to the mix too apparently.
Ok iPhone/iPad users, get with the program Apple
http://crackberry.com/adobe-flash-now-arriving-blackberry-second-half-2010
Add Android and webOS to the mix too apparently.
Ok iPhone/iPad users, get with the program Apple
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
It's clear to me now why Apple is resisting Flash. Aside from questions of efficiency, Apple really wants H.264 to become the default web video format, since they get some of the royalties from it. HTML5 would help that along. (The other leading proposed format for use with HTML5 is Ogg Theora, which is royalty-free but currently not quite as advanced.)
It's clear to me now why Apple is resisting Flash. Aside from questions of efficiency, Apple really wants H.264 to become the default web video format, since they get some of the royalties from it. HTML5 would help that along. (The other leading proposed format for use with HTML5 is Ogg Theora, which is royalty-free but currently not quite as advanced.)
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Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
Wow, Android devices looking even better. I'll be giving them a serious look next year when my iphone contract runs out
Wow, Android devices looking even better. I'll be giving them a serious look next year when my iphone contract runs out
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
No. Apple doesn't want people running free web-based Flash apps instead of purchasing apps from the App Store. That's what this entire thing is about, keeping people locked into the App Store. Getting rid of Flash for video is secondary.
You can't really blame Apple I guess... the App Store makes tons of money for them.
No. Apple doesn't want people running free web-based Flash apps instead of purchasing apps from the App Store. That's what this entire thing is about, keeping people locked into the App Store. Getting rid of Flash for video is secondary.
You can't really blame Apple I guess... the App Store makes tons of money for them.
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
That's not what it's about.
Apple issues guidelines for writing apps for the iPhone and Adobe refused to conform with the so Adobe gets told to go insert it's self rectally.
All Adobe has to do is confirm with the Apple guidelines and the problem with be solved.
That's not what it's about.
Apple issues guidelines for writing apps for the iPhone and Adobe refused to conform with the so Adobe gets told to go insert it's self rectally.
All Adobe has to do is confirm with the Apple guidelines and the problem with be solved.
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
No, that is incorrect.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/apple-takes-aim-at-adobe-or-android.ars
Apple altered their App guidelines specifically to not allow apps developed with Flash. Caught in the crossfire were a few other development environments that were previously allowed. It's a two pronged attack: it keeps Flash off their phones and makes it harder for developers to create apps that can be deployed on both the iPhone and Android devices.
EDIT: And it's worth pointing out as well... iPhone apps currently account for about 99.4% of mobile app sales. They have a monopoly and they're using that position to try and control the market, both on their own platform and on others.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/apple-responsible-for-994-of-mobile-app-sales-in-2009.ars
No, that is incorrect.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/apple-takes-aim-at-adobe-or-android.ars
Apple altered their App guidelines specifically to not allow apps developed with Flash. Caught in the crossfire were a few other development environments that were previously allowed. It's a two pronged attack: it keeps Flash off their phones and makes it harder for developers to create apps that can be deployed on both the iPhone and Android devices.
EDIT: And it's worth pointing out as well... iPhone apps currently account for about 99.4% of mobile app sales. They have a monopoly and they're using that position to try and control the market, both on their own platform and on others.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/apple-responsible-for-994-of-mobile-app-sales-in-2009.ars
Flash needs to die, that is all.
It's not going to, and it doesn't need to.
Just because some people write shitty Flash apps doesn't mean the toolkit itself sucks.
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
Of course they can't develop with Flash when Apple has the dispute with Adobe.
Of course Apple are going to have the majority share in the moible app sales because there's stuff all that out there for the other phones. That's not because apple is striving for the a monoply - that's from Apple being first to market.
This isn't like the PC market - you can go into the store and by an iPhone or an Android, Blackberry, Pre or WinMobile the choice is entirely yours.
It should also be remembed that the one of the reasons why the Apple product range has traditionally be so stable is they have tightly controlled it.
One of the biggest headaches for Windows users comes from the problem associated with drivers. Although Microsoft has the WDM companies have to submit their drivers to the company for testing and pay big bucks. Result is many companies don't and the result is a shitload of headaches.
Apples controls things so they don't run into those headaches.
Of course they can't develop with Flash when Apple has the dispute with Adobe.
Of course Apple are going to have the majority share in the moible app sales because there's stuff all that out there for the other phones. That's not because apple is striving for the a monoply - that's from Apple being first to market.
This isn't like the PC market - you can go into the store and by an iPhone or an Android, Blackberry, Pre or WinMobile the choice is entirely yours.
It should also be remembed that the one of the reasons why the Apple product range has traditionally be so stable is they have tightly controlled it.
One of the biggest headaches for Windows users comes from the problem associated with drivers. Although Microsoft has the WDM companies have to submit their drivers to the company for testing and pay big bucks. Result is many companies don't and the result is a shitload of headaches.
Apples controls things so they don't run into those headaches.
Re: Adobe Flash Arriving On BlackBerry Smartphones In Second Half Of 2
You're missing the point. Apple specifically changed their policy to not allow developers to use cross platform tools, for the purposes of blocking the new Flash tool that Adobe is about to ship. This isn't even about Flash on the iPhone because that's not what that tool was, it generated iPhone machine code to run natively on the platform. Claims that Apple is doing this to ensure quality apps are ridiculously hard to believe considering both the huge amount of crappy apps already in their store and the completely arbitrary criteria that Apple uses to not approve apps.
In any case, there are are already casualties. Adobe is being hurt, other platforms are being hurt, developers are being hurt and users are missing out on what could be some great apps. Who wins? Apple. Who loses? Everyone else.
You're missing the point. Apple specifically changed their policy to not allow developers to use cross platform tools, for the purposes of blocking the new Flash tool that Adobe is about to ship. This isn't even about Flash on the iPhone because that's not what that tool was, it generated iPhone machine code to run natively on the platform. Claims that Apple is doing this to ensure quality apps are ridiculously hard to believe considering both the huge amount of crappy apps already in their store and the completely arbitrary criteria that Apple uses to not approve apps.
In any case, there are are already casualties. Adobe is being hurt, other platforms are being hurt, developers are being hurt and users are missing out on what could be some great apps. Who wins? Apple. Who loses? Everyone else.
A platform is nothing without developers who are developing on it. Apple is attempting to make cross platform development more difficult and expensive to discourage developers from making their apps available on both the iPhone and Android and it will work because the largest market for apps right now is controlled by Apple. How is that not anti-competitive?
They've controlled hardware, not software. That's entirely different.
And that right there is ample reason for me never to buy an iPhone. My next smartphone is going to be Android-based, I'm pretty sure.
Hell, you can even write programs in Python, Lua, and Ruby on an Android.
I'm sold!
Hell, you can even write programs in Python, Lua, and Ruby on an Android.
I'm sold!
