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Poor taste and too soon humor

I remember when the space shuttle Challenger blew up - I heard my first shuttle joke within 5 minutes of it. :sigh:
Me, too. Which one was it? Need Another Seven Astronauts (NASA), or the one about the color of Christa McAuliffe's eyes? Seems like a-hole kids everywhere had those beamed instantly into their stupid insensitive heads, no need for Internet.
 
I just found a website with 8 Challenger jokes. :eek:

Although I've heard the last one as a Princess Diana joke, so I'm not sure what that says.
 
I remember when the space shuttle Challenger blew up - I heard my first shuttle joke within 5 minutes of it. :sigh:
Me, too. Which one was it? Need Another Seven Astronauts (NASA), or the one about the color of Christa McAuliffe's eyes?

It was this one:

What were the last words spoken by the shuttle astronauts?

"No. BUD light."

That might require an explanation for our younger audiences.

The commercials of the day went:
Guy 1: "Gimme a light."
Guy 2 gives Guy 1 some sort of light (light bulb, lightsaber, etc.) that has nothing to do with beer.
Guy 1:"No, a Bud Light."
 
I just found a website with 8 Challenger jokes. :eek:

Although I've heard the last one as a Princess Diana joke, so I'm not sure what that says.

I've heard two "good" Princess Diana jokes.

It's all in the eye of the beholder...
 
A lot of whether the joke works or not revolves around whether or not the joke is actually funny or just for shock value.
 
I guess a big difference is, the Titanic was an accident. 9/11 was a deliberate attack. That alone makes some kind of difference.

Titanic was a very preventable accident, made possible because the wealthy had little concern for the lives of the steerage. Why should joking about victims of apathy be more acceptable than joking about victims of malice?
 
What's the old saying?

Comedy = Tragedy + Time

I think we all have our tender spots, stuff that we don't find funny, but that doesn't mean other people can't.


...with respect:


Comedy = Tragedy + Time
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Degree of Empathy/Caring
 
Good point, but I never heard of that one. And it seemes to get mostly good reviews.

Now I understand that puppet thing in Stargate.

But then again, 2004 was already 10 years ago. Whew.
Er, not quite. Both the Stargate puppet scene and Team America were spoofs of shows in the '60s that used supermarionation, like Thunderbirds and Captain Scarlet.
 
Why is it that humor can be "too soon", but after a while, it is perfectly okay?

If you're aspiring to be a gallows comedian, this is the wrong question.

I'm guessing you're asking this because you're annoyed that some people find, say, jokes about Malaysian airliners made while they're still dragging the water for femurs offensive? If so, then you already want to ignore the dictum that comedy is tragedy + time and you're probably not that interested in what motivates it.

So, here's what you do. Check a nearby reflective surface. Are you Louis C.K.? If so, then you have what it takes to expect people you don't know to laugh at your gallows humour. Otherwise it will be hit and miss, and if you insist on doing it anyway you'd better develop a thick skin.
 
77 years after 1500 people died in a terrible tragedy, it was okay to make fun of the victims in a mainstream comedy.

In the year 2088, will it be okay to make a Ghostbusters film where the Twin Towers reappear with the 3000 victims going to work?

Or the most recent Malaysian airplane disappearance/possible crash.


Why is it that humor can be "too soon", but after a while, it is perfectly okay?

Well, what do you think? Are you offended by the Ghostbusters II joke, or do you feel it is over the line and inappropriate?

With that in mind, what would you think if you saw, tomorrow, a similar joke made about the Malaysian flight?
 
What's the old saying?

Comedy = Tragedy + Time

Actually, this is exactly true. Forgive me for a moment whilst I monologue, as the study of comedy is something of a thing for me.

A friend & I were discussing this very point some years back while talking about The Aristocrats. For those unfamiliar with the story, it's a documentary film about a joke that's been around since the vaudeville days. The premise is a man & his family (of varied composition) walk into a talent agents office. He says they have an act they'd like to audition for him. The agent agrees, the family disrobes, & then the teller begins to describe the most foul, filthy, vile acts you can think of. At the end, the people are covered in various fluids, filth & sweat while the agent asks what they call themselves, And the punchline is, "The Aristocrats!" The joke is not in the punchline (which is amusing by way of juxtaposition) but in the voyage, & how vulgar the acts described can be. It was Johnny Carson's favorite joke, which tells you how well-known & acceptable it is in the comedy world.

The movie came about due to an incident at a Friars Club roast some 3 or 4 weeks after 9/11. Gilbert Gottfried got to the podium & said, "I'm sorry I'm late; I missed my connecting flight at the Empire State Building." A groan went through the room & you actually hear someone yell, "Too soon!" Gottfriend bore up, gripped the podium & says, "OKAY!. A man & his family walk into a talent agent's office!"...7 there's a gasp that goes through the audience; they known what's coming. He pushes along with the joke & there's this enormous release of cathartic laughter. This incident prompted Penn Jillette & Paul Provenza (who were both in the audience that night) to make the documentary, which had its own controversies.

Now, my friend & I were talking about it & he made a very interesting point. Mel Brooks released The Producers in 1968, which (again, for those who don't know) was a comedy featuring a musical based on the Nazi Party, Springtime For Hitler: A Romp With Adolf & Eva At Berchtesgaden. This was 23 years after the end of the war. Now, just taking into account the 6 million Jews claimed in the Shoah--putting aside, Catholics, Commies, gays, Jehovah's Witnesses, Slavs, Romany, etc--JUST the Jews, & dividing that by 23 years, you get about 260,870 people a year; 21,740 people a month; 725 people per day. By that math, he claimed, 9/11 would've been funny around breakfast time on 9/16.

Sadly, this was not the case, & even today some people get butthurt at the macros that come on on 11 September to "celebrate" the internet holiday. Indeed, T-Shirt Hell was threatened with lawsuits some months after the event when they began selling shirts with this image on them. The problem here is that we've become this "rememberance" culture, constantly keeping the memory of an event alive & refusing to move past it. Humor, dark as it may be, helps us as a people do that. It's needed. It's necessary. It's offensive because there is a grain of truth in it, & people don't like to admit that. That's why were still have funny stereotypes: black like fired chicken & watermelon; Jews are greedy; Southerners are lazy & inbred; the French are cheese-eating surrender monkeys; Asians can't drive. The list goes on & on. Yet we still use them, time & again.

Humor--GOOD humor--has always pushed the boundaries of "good taste", no matter where they may be set. Soupy Sales telling kids to "take all those pictures of dead presidents in your parents' drawers & send them to Soupy, care of your local TV station". Henny Youngman's famous "Take my wife. ...Please." Jack Benny being told, "Your money or your life!" & taking so long to decided that the mugger has to prompt him again & gets told, "I'm thinking it over!" Buddy Hackett...holy shit, Buddy Hackett. Even into the days of Andy Kaufman, Lenny Bruce, Richard Belzer. Richard Pryor & into the 80s. These people pushed limits, tested them. Now here were are, in the "inoffensive" Aughties & Teens, where people get in a kerfluffle over nothing. I had an employer tell me I was making "almost criminal" comments when I after a long day, I quoted Tony Curtis & said to a waitress, "Who do I have to fuck to get off this picture?"

There's a limit to "too soon." It's been a year since Newtown. Would I make school shooting jokes there? Yes, I would. It's been a year. Unless you were personally affected, get over it & move on. Same with Boston, same with London 2005, 9/11, any sort of event.
 
You know I suspect that many would find jokes about school shootings to be in poor taste, whether or not they were affected personally. And even if some would I would hope they would at least have the decency not to make them in the place the shooting occured.
 
You know I suspect that many would find jokes about school shootings to be in poor taste, whether or not they were affected personally. And even if some would I would hope they would at least have the decency not to make them in the place the shooting occured.

Well, I guess that's the difference between you and a lot of comedians & myself. "Decency" doesn't enter into it; that's a personal moral construct that has no place in humor.
 
You know I suspect that many would find jokes about school shootings to be in poor taste, whether or not they were affected personally. And even if some would I would hope they would at least have the decency not to make them in the place the shooting occured.

And yet, as a former schoolteacher, this made me laugh out loud. (Though I did feel a bit guilty for doing so!)

My general opinion is that humor is a natural and healthy way to deal with tragedy; anything and everything can and will be mocked. If you can't laugh at the horrors in life, you're going to be miserable. Humor has gotten me through a seriously messed-up childhood, and everything that's followed. But, all that said, I don't think it's too much to ask to be kind. Tact can be difficult, but it's not that difficult. Gauge the situation: Will making that joke provide levity and relief or will it just add to people's pain? If in doubt, save it for another day.
 
You know I suspect that many would find jokes about school shootings to be in poor taste, whether or not they were affected personally. And even if some would I would hope they would at least have the decency not to make them in the place the shooting occured.

And yet, as a former schoolteacher, this made me laugh out loud. (Though I did feel a bit guilty for doing so!)

My general opinion is that humor is a natural and healthy way to deal with tragedy; anything and everything can and will be mocked. If you can't laugh at the horrors in life, you're going to be miserable. Humor has gotten me through a seriously messed-up childhood, and everything that's followed. But, all that said, I don't think it's too much to ask to be kind. Tact can be difficult, but it's not that difficult. Gauge the situation: Will making that joke provide levity and relief or will it just add to people's pain? If in doubt, save it for another day.

Precisely. These are the points behind such wonderful place like the Tard Blog & the Retard Wrangler.
 
But, all that said, I don't think it's too much to ask to be kind. Tact can be difficult, but it's not that difficult. Gauge the situation: Will making that joke provide levity and relief or will it just add to people's pain? If in doubt, save it for another day.

That's pretty much the point I was making in the other thread about flippancy, so I'm in complete agreement. Flippancy is, by definition, inappropriate levity.
 
Well, what do you think? Are you offended by the Ghostbusters II joke, or do you feel it is over the line and inappropriate?
Is that even really meant to be a joke, though, or just an atmospheric moment in a "stuff's getting weird" montage?

When I was a kid, I thought the Indy-Hitler meeting was hilarious. Ha, ha! The S.O.B. has troops dying left and right looking for Jones Sr.'s book, and here he has it in his own hand and is too stupid to realize it! Now, with some more maturity, I think the moment is in some very dubious taste at best, and not too funny, either. I wonder if anyone's ever asked Spielberg if he would still have made that gag after directing Schindler's List. And yet I still find Downfall parodies amusing. Context is everything...
 
Precisely. These are the points behind such wonderful place like the Tard Blog & the Retard Wrangler.

You were already given a friendly and then an infraction when you refused to follow instructions to refrain from the use of inappropriate terminology and rhetoric about the developmentally disabled, so I can only assume that this is continuing that streak of not caring about what the staff tells you to do. Even in a thread about poor taste jokes, it's not carte blanche for you to say or post whatever you want.

Infraction, filed under "other." Comments to PM.
 
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