^I meant to bring that up. That prototype was unique in that it was designed to utilize separation into three combat-worthy sections.
Poll: Sovereign Saucer Sep
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I have never been fan for septation in Star Trek ships. I don't think Sovereign can separate mainly because if their is warp breach they scold be able to eject the warp-core alone(smilier to Voyager).
Regarding Prometheus-class. I find overall design great with exception of 2 extra nacelles. However for it separate into 3 section discredit it and makes it unbelievable starship design.
Regarding Prometheus-class. I find overall design great with exception of 2 extra nacelles. However for it separate into 3 section discredit it and makes it unbelievable starship design.
Well, maybe it makes sense because one ship is strong, but three moving targets are hard to shoot at...
Probably more efficient in terms of day-to-day operation and conservation of resources to operate as a unified ship when crusing around.
Probably more efficient in manpower...a typical starship would have about three times the personnel that it needed to run the ship in the form of multiple shifts...in this case, you could put all three shifts to work at once.
And when dealing with hostile aliens who weren't aware of the ship's capabilities, it would have the advantage of surprise. Overall, being able to run as one or three ships would offer more tactical options.
And even if it wasn't efficient, that wouldn't stop them from trying something like that to see for themselves. Military history is full of prototypes that didn't work out. Sometimes one generation's failure turns out to be another generation's success, e.g. the Northrop Flying Wing and the B-2.
Probably more efficient in manpower...a typical starship would have about three times the personnel that it needed to run the ship in the form of multiple shifts...in this case, you could put all three shifts to work at once.
And when dealing with hostile aliens who weren't aware of the ship's capabilities, it would have the advantage of surprise. Overall, being able to run as one or three ships would offer more tactical options.
And even if it wasn't efficient, that wouldn't stop them from trying something like that to see for themselves. Military history is full of prototypes that didn't work out. Sometimes one generation's failure turns out to be another generation's success, e.g. the Northrop Flying Wing and the B-2.
would be cool to see.
The ship did land on a Class M planetary surface and then take off in DS9 "Children of Time". So probably fact - even though the hull should obviously also be strong enough to take the loads of landing without getting all wrinkly, and is flat enough to allow for an orderly sunny side up landing.
Do we have any particular reason to think the E-E did not carry families? We haven't seen the ship in a situation where kids would have played a role significant enough to require onscreen attention. (Sure, it might have been interesting to see what the Baku planet did to kids, but we already learned it didn't do anyting to Baku kids, so...)
It doesn't seem that a ship would have to be of a particular design in order to support families. There were "peripherals" tagging along aboard Sisko's Saratoga and assorted Oberth vessels, for example. Pike's Enterprise also appeared to have civilians aboard (or at least civvie-clad youngsters who didn't salute, otherwise acknowlege, or even recognize the Captain).
Timo Saloniemi
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I've rarely seen you get something wrong, but all the FX in that episode suggest that the ship remained in orbit. Sure, the Defiant crashed on the planet in the alternate timeline, but there I dont recall any lines of dialogue that suggested she landed.
It's possible that the E-E could allocate some quarters to families, but it doesn't seem very plausible to me that the ship was designed for families or carried them on board. The whole spirit of the E-E is a more militarized, tactical-heavy starship. I think anyone would find the idea of children onboard during the events of First Contact or the collision in Nemesis to be abhorrent and I doubt that any children were onboard to be evacuated before that happened.
Hopefully the Saratoga was a final example of Starfleet ships with children in war zones. At the time of Wolf 359, Starfleet was desperately unprepared and cobbled together a 50-ship fleet. By the Dominion War, later Borg invasions era, I think it's a matter of professional competence and human decency to eliminate children from combat-heavy ships.
That said, I loved the concept of families on the E-D, and felt that the saucer sep device was best to accomodate that. On the E-E, I think it useful in cases of unejectable warp core breach, and general evac. In FC probably the Borg computer control/infestation on multiple decks/historical situation made it unfeasible to separate the ship.
I seem to remember that the TOS era Enterprise had exposive saucer sep ability?
Sadly, the USS Yamato was a complete loss of Galaxy-class ship and crew, families and all. At least the USS Odyssey did a general evacuation of non-essential personnel before the battle occurred.
It just seems to me that any Starship class, that has the secondary hull, will have saucer sep capability. No warp capability in the saucer, just impulse. The D could do so routinely, and it would seem to me that capability would be built in, whether it was on screen or not. I can certainly think of several uses it could be put to. Keep in mind that the reason it wasn't seen more often was cost. Today, with CGI, I'm not sure that would be a factor, but it sure was in the 80s.
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It had to Seperate. There is less money to be made by selling tickets to see a ship that cannot seperate. The Impulse Engines in the Battle Section would have popped up out of the section directly behind the Main Shuttlebay. It is like a module on top of the Engineering Hull. It looks like it can seperate from the rest of the ship on it's own. Like The Defiant's nosecone it would be full of Engines and explosives that would be able to really do damage to a Borg Ship. End Of Story.
GodThingFormerly
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), I'm afraid that I must.
