Poll: Bring Janeway back?

[Dark Gilligan]

I have to tell you that the issue which I brought up in the spoiler is discussed at other boards as well where people are drawing the same conclusion as I did in the spoiler I wrote and without me writing a single word (so far) about it at those forums.

Well your spoiler is wrong. Either deal with it or or read the book and at least attempt to know what you're talking about, 'cuz right now you haven't got a clue.

 

[ClayinCA]

The reason for me to start reading Voyager books in the first place was to read about the characters from the TV series and how can I do that if they are constantly killed off, ruined or shatered for the wind? I have no intention to read about a bogus Voyager crew led by Captain Sharak, Liutenant Whoknowswhat and other third-rate replacements where the one and two remaining main characters from the series are walloping in grief over Janeway's death. That's not what I want to read about in a Voyager book.

Ok, seriously... don't you think you're going off the deep end just a bit here? "constantly killed off, ruined"... ONE character has died. ONE. Why does this event cause you to take this attitude that Janeway's death absolutely beyond doubt must herald the death or ruination of untold numbers of Voyager characters in the coming books? Where are you GETTING that idea?
And a "bogus crew" with "one or two remaining characters from the series"? How many times must people who have read Full Circle (not to mention the person who WROTE it) point out that all of the Voyager mains are in the book (including Janeway, for like the entire first half) before you stop beating on this non-existent point about a book you refuse to read? EVERYONE IS IN THE BOOK. Deal with that. As for future books? Who knows. Tuvok is on the Titan, granted, but we don't know anything about the ultimate plans for other Voyager characters. And neither do you.

What they have done is making lots of fans angry and upset and yes, they must have been aware of that when they planned that move.

Of course they were aware that some fans would be upset. There's no way they wouldn't realize that. But that's who's angry: SOME fans. Not all fans (or even, I would venture, most fans). Every creative decision of any consequence that the writing/editing team makes - every last one - is going to displease some fans while pleasing others. Period. This is no different. You don't like this one, but that doesn't make it invalid.

Perhaps this wasn't clear, but by "mistake that needs to be corrected", I meant objectively. I was attempting to ask you (or anyone else who wanted to answer) if you truly believe that Janeway's death was objectively a bad decision, because it's not. It's wrong to certain people. But this is subjective, just as asking "How good was book X" is subjective.

As for the bolded part... Seriously? I will grant that many of your "opponents" are not as big Janeway fans as you are (I've mentioned that while I basically liked her, she was never a favorite), but if I am interpresting you correctly, you are theorizing that "many" of the people who have been arguing with you are fans of the TrekLit, but not of televised Trek? I find that hard to fathom, that more than a very small number of people would bother reading Voyager (or other Trek) books and posting about them on a Trek message board without being fans of the show (or of other Trek shows). If a bunch of people jump up and say that's exactly the case for them, then I will stand corrected, but I seriously doubt it.

And who is "they" who supposedly want the stories to be as close to real life as possible? I certainly don't. Pushing for one element of storytelling that we perceive as a good thing does not mean that we blanketly want Trek books to suddenly mimic real life in all possible ways, or that we want to rewrite Trek. Afterall, this is nothing new in Trek. Which brings me to my next point: "Why impose that on Trek?" No one is imposing anything on Trek. Character death is nothing new. Tragic and dark storylines are nothing new. Before Dishonor was no more dark than a bunch of the darker TV episodes or movies have been. This is another thing you've been repeatedly bringing up (without having read the book): that Janeway's death is the beginning of the end, that TrekLit will now proceed to lose all hope and tell stories of darkness and despair and death and blah blah blah. IT'S NOT. N-O-T.

This is one of the first things you've said that makes perfect sense to me.

You're upset with Pocket and the writers for not including a character who was written out of the TV show after just over three out of seven seasons?

Just for the record, the above post sums up my feelings about Janeway's death quite well.

No worries, I didn't want to be a spelling nazi or anything, it just bugged me after I saw it for the 3rd time.

You're absolutely right, it should have been "wallowing", not "walloping".

A slight error in my program apparently, and no, I don't feel offended by any of the comments about it. On the contrary, I'm happy for the correction.

I didn't think I should say anything, because I didn't want to be seen as being overly nitpicky or attacking Lynx for silly reasons, but it is kind of a funny typo. I couldn't help but picture various Voyager crew members walking around, bawling their eyes out as they slugged people at random.

Saito S, I'm just saying: you're letting yourself in for a big ol' can o' worms here...!

Did I not just say that the story was an extremely complex and emotional one, and that you couldn't understand it without reading how they got there?

You ARE being paranoid. Christ. Either read it or don't, but this shit is stupid.

Are you getting close to having finally had enough, Thrawn?

 

[Paris]

^But how can you know whether you'll like it or not until you've read it? You might think "This will suck without Janeway, the bastards should never have killed her!" then read it and think "Actually, this new direction is something I like, they're doing things I didn't expect." on the other hand, if you hate it then at least you gave it a chance and can have a genuine reason, and if the sales drop by a lot for the second book that'll register with them.
But if you just whinge about it without reading it people will just dismiss it as an uninformed opinion.
Of course I don't mean "you" as you personally.

Agreed. It seems as though, Blitz, we are in the same boat. I still have not been able to find a copy (hopefully later today) so i've only read a little bit of the prologue from Pocket's site, but I was not, and am still not, a fan of the whole Janeway situation. I'd rather her be alive in the books as well (she's one of my fav's ), but why complain about a certain storyline before i've actually read the book in question. If Janeway is never brought back, that's cool with me, as long as the stories without her are good. I'm a nu-BSG / Lost fan, so I know that the death of a character does not mean the death of the story/series. It always has to move forward, even if some people would prefer it to stand still .

 

[Lynx]

This thread has certainly been interestng. I had no idea that Voyager fans were upset that Kes & Neelix weren't in the Relaunch novels. I guess I just never presumed that they would be included (or not right away - I can see them maybe popping up later) as they were written out of the series before it ended. I mean, Neelix was in the last episode, but barely, he seemed happy where he was though. Also, I never thought of Janeway as the 'main character' of Voyager; the thought is completely alien to me. I don't think any of the Treks have a 'main character'; they're ensemble pieces. I loved DS9 just as much when Sisko was removed from the picture, and I loved Classic Trek just as much with the loss of Kirk. It doesn't occur to me to feel betrayed.

I don't know if Lynx has read the "String Theory" trilogy (one of which was written by Kisten Beyer, the author of Full Circle), but that trilogy of Voyager books is set between the 4th & 5th Seasons and actually explains what happens in "Fury" & how that is NOT Kes in that episode. I disliked 'Fury' as well, and the books didn't make me love it, but it eased the hurt a little bit. Also, that trilogy features Janeway when she was very much alive! I really enjoyed them, though the last one is a bit harder to get through, I thought they were worth it.

The thing about Voyager the series, is that it's what the writers for that show made of it. I mean, it was nothing before the writers dreamt it up. And Kes leaving, and Neelix leaving are part of what Voyager is. So I find it odd that someone who says that the people enjoying the books that don't feature those characters are not thought of as Voyager fans - when the people that accept those decisions are the people that actually embraced what was on the actual series.

I did read the "String Theory" books and I actually liked them, even if I found the story a bit weird.

I really appreciated the third book and the attempt to repair the damage made to the character Kes in the horrible episode "Fury". OK, I wasn't that fond of the "Kes going back to Ocampa" scenario but I was quite pleased with the way the events in "Fury" were explained and how the destruction of the character in that episode was undone in the "String Theory" story.

As for the TV series, I was and still am very dissatisfied with season 4-7 of it. Despite that, I still consider myself a fan of the series, the characters and the original premise for the series. Once upon a time I was hoping that the Voyager Relaunch should correct some of the worst stupidites which were made in the series and in some cases it did. However, the relaunch didn't turn out exactly what I wanted and as it is now, it has taken a turn to the worse which can explain my anger and frustration when it comes to the ongoing debates.

Dark Gilligan wrote:

Brit, then by all means take your protests directly to Pocket Books where you can at least pretend that you're doing some good. Protesting to TPTB through this forum (which is not connected to Pocket Books in any way) will accomplish nothing. You're putting yourself in a position of complete and total powerlessness.

What I can see, there are a lot of letter campaigns starting up which will do just what you have suggested. I'm sure that many of those who criticize certain events here will participate in those campaigns. But I also guess that this issue will be discussed on different forums as well for a very long time.

blitz wrote:

i think one of the underlying fears of the "dissatisfied" is that if they buy the book, then ms. clark, et al get what they want, their money. these fans may not like the books or direction of voyager, but in order for them to make an informed decision as you and la barre and others want them to, they would have to buy the book. so, maybe in their view they feel that TPTB at pocket books will not listen to them if they buy the book b/c once bought, pocket books has their money and can continue to do what they want. by not buying the books, either the series in cancelled or they hire writers who will go in a new direction.

Not to mention that many posters won't buy the book because it will raise the sales ratings which might give the impression that a majority of fans like the annihilation of Janeway.

But most of all, those who refuse to read the books does that because they simply don't want to read about Janeway being dead. I belong to that cathegory.

 

[auntiem933]

I do find this a tad odd. The people who do not want to see Voyager or books about it without it's captain, well, I understand them wanting to express themselves about this subject they feel very passionately about. What I do not understand is all the bad mouthing and disrespect....and outright hate directed to those Voyager fans by a few people on this list who have no real vested interest in Voyager and could care less about it's Captain. If you don't want to read about Janeway and Voyager, just stop reading these Janeway threads. You are aware that you can do that aren't you? And it hasn't escaped many people's attention that most of the hate is coming from a very small number of posters, with their every ready fast fingers. Just don't read it and go read things you like. Why let so much negativity into your life over something like this?

 

[Dayton Ward]

The next thing you know this "small number of posters" will be creating websites and message boards to keep their emotions stirred up. It'll be total chaos!

 

[Paris]

... Why let so much negativity into your life over something like this?

This is what several people have been asking of the posters who refuse to read Full Circle and still bad mouth it and the Voyager relaunch. Some people have said stuff like Full Circle being a "waste of time", or "silly" all because Janeway died. And as you can tell, this kind of ignorance and negativity drives some of us a little crazy when she's, supposedly, the main character of the first 300 or so pages. In order to understand the "bad mouthing" and "disrespect", it has been heaped on by both sides for months. Just check out any thread with the words "Voyager" of "Janeway" in them.

 

[Saito S]

Saito S, I'm just saying: you're letting yourself in for a big ol' can o' worms here...!

Oh, I know. I wouldn't make these huge long posts if I weren't prepared for the consequences. haha
But really, I find this whole discussion pretty interesting.

Because if they can kill off the main character of Voyager, then I guess it will be very easy to waste more of them if some "effect" is needed.

But what makes you think that that will actually happen? "if they can kill" "then I guess it will be very easy" "if some 'effect' is needed". Even your own words sound pretty vague about the subject. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else will die just because Janeway died. This is essentially like declaring all automobiles of any make and classification to be grossly unsafe and poorly made due to the safety problems identified specifically in SUVs.

And the information that "all he main characters are in the book" is wrong. Kes and Neelix are missing.

Well, ok. I figured that it would be assumed that I meant "everyone but the characters who had been previously established as no longer being on the ship."

I don't doubt that the people I'm arguing with are or at least have been fans of the different TV series as well, otherwise they wouldn't have start treading the books from the start. But sometimes I get the impression that they are more fans of the authors and what they might come up with than for example Voyager or different Voyager characters. They won't mind if some author they like kill off the entire Voyager crew to get an effect.

As for people wanting the stories to be as close to "real life" as possible, just read through the threads in which the "Janeway case" are debated. I've seen a lot of such references.

To both of these points, I can only conclude that you've been reading different threads than me. I have not gotten any of the impressions you have gotten, certainly not in THIS thread, where a large number of the people who have been arguing with you (myself included) have gone out of our way to point out that we like Janeway and Voyager. I for one would be absolutely flabbergasted if they "killed of the entire Voyager crew to get an effect." Of course, they would never DO such a thing: they do like it when people buy their books. By even suggesting that they would ever kill off the entire cast for some cheap effect, you are really being unfair to the authors, IMO.
As for "a lot" of such references to people wanting the stories to be as close to real life as possible... again, not in this thread. LOTS and LOTS of references to the fact that having someone like Janeway die adds an important element of realism to the story, an element which some of us feel is sometimes lacking in Trek. But no references that - in general - Trek needs to think more about being realistic. Advocating for the presence of one element of realism does not mean I want to see Trek re-invent itself to be more realistic on all fronts.

Are you sure of that?

To clarify, since I didn't include your quote of my own post: this was in response to me saying that TrekLit has not set itself down this path toward a fiery pit of darkness and despair just because Janeway died.
And... am I sure? That's it? That's all you have to say about it?
Yes, I am. Quite sure. I have read a handful of Trek books as of late (including Before Dishonor itself), and I can say with certainty that the overall feel that permeates all of the books I've read is no more dark and no closer to "Death Trek" (or whatever you were calling it before) than the average level of the TV shows themselves. There is nothing about BD (certainly not the death of a main) that is new to Trek. Granted, I have a lot yet to read, but from what I have heard from people who have read the books I haven't (Thrawn on Destiny, for example), I have no reason to suspect my impression will change as I read more of the books.

Yes I am, or more correctly, I used to be. With the current development of Star Trek in general and the Voyager relaunch in particular, I'm actually happy that the character is left out of the ongoing storyline.

So... you were upset at the Pocket Books editors and authors for not including characters that had been dropped by the TV show producers, before said show went off the air.

Never mind. I'm leaving this particular point alone. I don't want to try and make sense of it.

And as long as there are people like Margaret Clark and the Trek authors that post in this forum I for one will continue to express a dislike of the direction and the content of Trek books and the way Voyager characters are treated in them. You can't disrespect a large segment of the fandom and expect them to be silent.

Brit

I still don't see how anyone has been disrespected. I can understand being upset, and wanting to vent, and... well, ok, I don't really "understand" the notion of swearing off TrekLit due to one character death, because I wouldn't do it, but I can respect that. It's a personal decision. If Janeway's death means you cannot enjoy Trek book anymore, so be it.
But, disrespected? Do you really believe that the authors and editors were sitting around, rubbing their hands together with glee, thinking about how awesome it was that all these Janeway fans were about to get blindsided? The decision to kill her was a creative one, a dramatic one, not a spiteful one. You may or may not agree that it was done well, and are free to be of the opinion that it shouldn't have happened at all. But no one has "disrespected" anyone, and they don't owe anyone an apology.

It just makes me crazy when Trek keeps old characters together for ridiculous periods of time. I suspect they do so because of us fans, but I really wish they wouldn't. Thanks but no thanks.

And this is why I feel that the Voyager crew SHOULD be broken up. Not entirely, mind you, but the starship Voyager shouldn't continue on this many years after the TV series with ALL of it's original mains. Especially not if they are really heading back toward the DQ for further exploration. There would be at least one member of the main crew (especially when you consider that a bunch of them weren't even Starfleet officers, per se) who would never want to go near the DQ again.
And to anyone who might ask why I say this of Voyager, but give TOS a free pass: I'm not. I agree with the sentiment that the length of time that the TOS crew served on the same ship was insane (especially after a certain point, where like ALL of them were Commander rank or higher). The only one which made sense was Undiscovered Country, because they kind of made it a point in that movie that the crew - having been split apart and with several of them on the verge of retirement - were being brought back together for this last, crucial mission. But some of the previous movies... yeah, it was kinda ridiculous.

 

[Lynx]

... Why let so much negativity into your life over something like this?

This is what several people have been asking of the posters who refuse to read Full Circle and still bad mouth it and the Voyager relaunch. Some people have said stuff like Full Circle being a "waste of time", or "silly" all because Janeway died. And as you can tell, this kind of ignorance and negativity drives some of us a little crazy when she's, supposedly, the main character of the first 300 or so pages. In order to understand the "bad mouthing" and "disrespect", it has been heaped on by both sides for months. Just check out any thread with the words "Voyager" of "Janeway" in them.

Well, we let negativity into our lives over this because we find the events in the book and the whole relaunch negative, it ruins the pleasure of reading books about our favorite characters.

It doesn't matter if Janeway is the main character for 300 pages if she's killed off in it.

 

[MilitantJaneway]

where a large number of the people who have been arguing with you (myself included) have gone out of our way to point out that we like Janeway and Voyager. ....having someone like Janeway die adds an important element of realism to the story, an element which some of us feel is sometimes lacking in Trek.

Do you know how meaningless this statement is. You may like Voyager and Janeway in the same way I like DS9 and Sisko, but I couldn't care less if they kill Sisko off again or send him to commune with the prophets. In fact why dont we knock off Picard hey he is getting up there in years as well..because gosh darn it it might add some edginess to the books. He would be perfect really because there have been a heap of movies and a whole slew of books with him, so why not.
This is totally the atitude that we have been getting on Janeway. Fine you may like KJ and Voyager, but really in a distant sort of well, its not a bad show. Voyager on the other hand is the show that I could relate to. I especially enjoyed the fact that there was a female capatain and a female chief engineer. I liked my "ship of the Valkyries" I care about what happened to that Captain, as much as you'll might care about what happens to the Sisko or to Picard. So please dont give us your little platitudes about oh but I liked janeway and I dont mind her getting killed. Its irritating to say the least.

And PS yes I know female captain in the Unworthy -great but FYI its not Janeway so its not equivilent for me.

 

[JustKate]

It just makes me crazy when Trek keeps old characters together for ridiculous periods of time. I suspect they do so because of us fans, but I really wish they wouldn't. Thanks but no thanks.

And this is why I feel that the Voyager crew SHOULD be broken up. Not entirely, mind you, but the starship Voyager shouldn't continue on this many years after the TV series with ALL of it's original mains. Especially not if they are really heading back toward the DQ for further exploration. There would be at least one member of the main crew (especially when you consider that a bunch of them weren't even Starfleet officers, per se) who would never want to go near the DQ again.

And to anyone who might ask why I say this of Voyager, but give TOS a free pass: I'm not. I agree with the sentiment that the length of time that the TOS crew served on the same ship was insane (especially after a certain point, where like ALL of them were Commander rank or higher). The only one which made sense was Undiscovered Country, because they kind of made it a point in that movie that the crew - having been split apart and with several of them on the verge of retirement - were being brought back together for this last, crucial mission. But some of the previous movies... yeah, it was kinda ridiculous.

Exactly. I do want to hear about the characters I care about, but I want it to be done in a way that is at least somewhat realistic. That means that some books might feature Chakotay, while others do not, and some might feature Tom while others do not, and so on. (I wish more would feature Janeway, as I've mentioned before, and the reason is that I really wanted to find out more about her life after the DQ. But we shall see.) And that's the way it should be.

The way the original cast of TOS just hovered around that darn ship and around each other was just silly. And kind of insulting to fans, if you ask me.

Besides, I've read a few of the Voyager books written before the series ended, and having all the characters mentioned doesn't necessarily result in character development. While all of the characters are mentioned in those books, I assume (they were in the ones I read), if the ones I've read are anything to go by, some characters get very little "screen time" in certain books. For example, just because Chakotay is mentioned in Chrysalis (not a particularly good book but I just reread it so it's fresh on my mind - it didn't really deserve a 2nd reading) doesn't mean he gets any real character development. 'Cause he doesn't. It's almost like one of those episodes where the most meaningful thing he says is "Shields up!" In fact, you don't get much for Kes, either, and she does get a lot of screen time.

What I'm saying is that even if TPTB manage to come up with some half-assed reason to keep all these characters together, that doesn't guarantee every book will enlighten us on every character - we won't get all that character interaction that, I think, most of us want.

 

[Lynx]

Saito S wrote:

But what makes you think that that will actually happen? "if they can kill" "then I guess it will be very easy" "if some 'effect' is needed". Even your own words sound pretty vague about the subject. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else will die just because Janeway died. This is essentially like declaring all automobiles of any make and classification to be grossly unsafe and poorly made due to the safety problems identified specifically in SUVs.

Well, I think that if they can kill off the main character of a particular series in order to get an "effect", then i wouldn't be surprised if more characters will be killed off, especially since there seems to be a current trend to replace the original characters of all the TV shows with other characters.

To both of these points, I can only conclude that you've been reading different threads than me. I have not gotten any of the impressions you have gotten, certainly not in THIS thread, where a large number of the people who have been arguing with you (myself included) have gone out of our way to point out that we like Janeway and Voyager. I for one would be absolutely flabbergasted if they "killed of the entire Voyager crew to get an effect." Of course, they would never DO such a thing: they do like it when people buy their books. By even suggesting that they would ever kill off the entire cast for some cheap effect, you are really being unfair to the authors, IMO.
As for "a lot" of such references to people wanting the stories to be as close to real life as possible... again, not in this thread. LOTS and LOTS of references to the fact that having someone like Janeway die adds an important element of realism to the story, an element which some of us feel is sometimes lacking in Trek. But no references that - in general - Trek needs to think more about being realistic. Advocating for the presence of one element of realism does not mean I want to see Trek re-invent itself to be more realistic on all fronts.

I must admit that I'm surprised that people who claim that they like Janeway and Voyager are pleased with the death of the character. I wouldn't like to see any of them being killed off because it wild cause irreparable damage to a good series and also make many fans unhappy. I know, because I've been (and more and less am) in that situation.

As for the wishes for certain "realism", I do think it's a thin line between stating that Trek should be more realistic and having the series being more realistic on all fronts.

So... you were upset at the Pocket Books editors and authors for not including characters that had been dropped by the TV show producers, before said show went off the air.

In a way, yes because I had that hope that the relaunch should correct some horrible errors which were made in the TV series and also because the characters mentioned are actually main characters of the show.

And this is why I feel that the Voyager crew SHOULD be broken up. Not entirely, mind you, but the starship Voyager shouldn't continue on this many years after the TV series with ALL of it's original mains. Especially not if they are really heading back toward the DQ for further exploration. There would be at least one member of the main crew (especially when you consider that a bunch of them weren't even Starfleet officers, per se) who would never want to go near the DQ again.
And to anyone who might ask why I say this of Voyager, but give TOS a free pass: I'm not. I agree with the sentiment that the length of time that the TOS crew served on the same ship was insane (especially after a certain point, where like ALL of them were Commander rank or higher). The only one which made sense was Undiscovered Country, because they kind of made it a point in that movie that the crew - having been split apart and with several of them on the verge of retirement - were being brought back together for this last, crucial mission. But some of the previous movies... yeah, it was kinda ridiculous.

Here I must disagree. I read and buy Voyager books because I want to read about the characters in the TV series and the special chemistry and inter-action between them, not to see them being replaced by other characters which in most cases aren't as good as the old favorites.

I don't mind reading about new characters here and there but I don't want them to replace the main characters from the TV series. I rather read a book about a totally new ship with a totally new crew than read of Voyager where too many of the main characters are replaced.

This little excerpt from my "Strange Dreams" story (which is set a year or so after "Endgame" actually sums up my feelings about Voyager without its main characters (and this story was written before the "annihilation" of Janeway):

Kes did have mixed emotion about this visit. Of course it was nice to be back on Voyager again, the ship which she had so many fond memories from and which had been her home for so long. But there was just too much which wasn’t the same anymore, too many of their friends missing. They had made a short sightseeing on the ship before the conference in the briefing room but it had felt strange to visit Engineering without Torres, Sickbay without The Doctor and the Mess Hall without Neelix. She also missed Paris and Tuvok. Janeway and Chakotay had informed her, Novak and Mike Cortez about what their friends was doing nowdays and she hoped that Neelix had found what he was looking for. But she felt a bit sad that many of her friends were gone from the ship. There were just too many memories and too many changes. Novak, probable thinking the same thing had just looked at her when they were sitting in the mess hall, drinking coffee. “There’s nothing for us here anymore” he had said. She had actually felt a bit relieved when the sightseeing was over and they gathered in the Briefing Room.

 

[Strider]

Excuse me but what did Janeway die from exactly was it cancer? do they even still have in cancer in the future? maybe she's only pretending ever think of that?

 

[Dark Gilligan]

^^ She committed herself to what many feel was a reckless mission (Chakotay included in that feeling) and ended up being assimilated by the Borg. At the moment of her death, though, her consciousness was spirited away by the Q... an ending that was tacked on after the fact and not part of the original story outline.

 

[Thrawn]

Well, I think that if they can kill off the main character of a particular series in order to get an "effect", then i wouldn't be surprised if more characters will be killed off, especially since there seems to be a current trend to replace the original characters of all the TV shows with other characters.

Let's review.

TNG: After Nemesis, Data is dead, and Riker and Troi have their own ship. So of course, as established BY CANON, those three characters must be replaced. Worf and Crusher they actually brought back to the Enterprise despite the fact that Nemesis gave hints they'd both be leaving, which they didn't have to do.

DS9: After WYLB, Sisko is off with the wormhole aliens, O'Brien is away teaching (yes?), Garak is off with the Cardassians, Odo is off with the Dominion, and Worf is off being ambassador. So of course, as established BY CANON, those characters have to be off the station...and nonetheless, they all play important roles in later books. They even brought Sisko back, when they didn't have to. (Noticing a trend?)

ENT: There was one main character killed on the show. They have ALSO been brought back, when they didn't have to be.

TOS: Lots of different stories all over the place; no easy answer here, but everyone not dead as of Generations is still apparently not dead in the main timeline, and Kirk has also been brought back in the separate Shatnerverse timeline.

VOY: Golden's relaunch split off Tuvok (to teach), Doc & Seven (to research), Torres (to be Klingon), and Janeway (to be an Admiral). Of those splits, Tuvok has now moved to another show and Janeway has died, but Torres is rejoining the ship, and Doc & Seven both have much more important roles in the show going forward. And - again - they didn't have to do that.

If you look across every single one of these series, literally the worst example of the phenomenon you describe is CHRISTIE GOLDEN'S Voyager relaunch. In every single other case, the books have MORE main characters involved in important storylines than canon itself would've dictated.

Just what the hell kind of trend are you talking about?

 

[Paris]

Excuse me but what did Janeway die from exactly was it cancer? do they even still have in cancer in the future? maybe she's only pretending ever think of that?

Swallowed whole by the Borg. YUM YUM

 

[SStar]

Fine you may like KJ and Voyager, but really in a distant sort of well, its not a bad show. Voyager on the other hand is the show that I could relate to. I especially enjoyed the fact that there was a female capatain and a female chief engineer. I liked my "ship of the Valkyries" I care about what happened to that Captain, as much as you'll might care about what happens to the Sisko or to Picard. So please dont give us your little platitudes about oh but I liked janeway and I dont mind her getting killed. Its irritating to say the least.

You know what? I find that incredibly insulting.

I love Voyager and I also felt a kin towards the female Captain and Chief Engineer and yes for the record, I love the characters of Janeway and Torres. Here's the killer. I can deal with Janeway's death in BD and as a Voyager fan, am looking forward to the future VOY-R books and have already enjoyed Full Circle.

I am certainly not One of One. While I am guessing, in fact, I suspect there are a lot of people who share my view and so will continue to read the relaunch books. Those of us who enjoy the books from Full Circle on are still Voyager fans, no more and no less than you. It may just be that we are less vocal as a group but that does not mean that it can be implied that we are lesser fans than those who are upset about Janeway's death.

 

[Paris]

Fine you may like KJ and Voyager, but really in a distant sort of well, its not a bad show. Voyager on the other hand is the show that I could relate to. I especially enjoyed the fact that there was a female capatain and a female chief engineer. I liked my "ship of the Valkyries" I care about what happened to that Captain, as much as you'll might care about what happens to the Sisko or to Picard. So please dont give us your little platitudes about oh but I liked janeway and I dont mind her getting killed. Its irritating to say the least.

You know what? I find that incredibly insulting.

I love Voyager and I also felt a kin towards the female Captain and Chief Engineer and yes for the record, I love the characters of Janeway and Torres. Here's the killer. I can deal with Janeway's death in BD and as a Voyager fan, am looking forward to the future VOY-R books and have already enjoyed Full Circle.

I am certainly not One of One. While I am guessing, in fact, I suspect there are a lot of people who share my view and so will continue to read the relaunch books. Those of us who enjoy the books from Full Circle on are still Voyager fans, no more and no less than you. It may just be that we are less vocal as a group but that does not mean that it can be implied that we are lesser fans than those who are upset about Janeway's death.

AMEN!! You guess right SStar , there are many of us. Sometimes our voices just get drowned out a bit...

On a side note; the poll is still at 55% - 45%

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Excuse me but what did Janeway die from exactly was it cancer? do they even still have in cancer in the future? maybe she's only pretending ever think of that?

Swallowed whole by the Borg. YUM YUM

Then she was blown up.

 

[ClayinCA]

VOY: Golden's relaunch split off Tuvok (to teach), Doc & Seven (to research), Torres (to be Klingon), and Janeway (to be an Admiral).

Not to be pedantic, but Janeway was actually made Admiral canonically, in Nemesis, which more or less forced the books into that position. Which I think actually strengthens your argument (not that it will matter much).