Poll: Bring Janeway back?

[Therin of Andor]

Haven't those in charge of the relaunch stated that she will remain dead?

No, they said she'll still be dead as of "Unworthy".

No one in charge has said anything about Janeway being permanently gone as a character. Just you.

 

[JoeZhang]

Doesn't prevent a "Young Janeway" book. Maybe even put her in more Lost Era novels?

Or Zombie Janeway.

 

[shanejayell]

Or Zombie Janeway.

"BRAINS! BRAINS AND COFFEE!"

 

[joyofvgr]

But even for a Janeway-death-is-a-dealbreaker person, there's a self-contained adventure for the first 300 pages of this book that brings everyone back together before she dies that I think any fan of the show would love.

You seem determined to present things as a rigid dichotomy, using all crappy instances of main character death to support the idea that all instances of main character death are crappy. Sometimes, good stories really are written this way, and this is one of them.

But you'd still hate it; I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm saying, recognize that there are people for whom this might be an incredibly frustrating plot twist that would still like this book because it's well written, exciting, moving, and treats every character including the ones that leave or die with the utmost of respect and depth. And for some people, that's worth it, even IF they agree with you.

That's good to know, Thrawn. I don't know if I can get beyond the outcome of this novel to finally read it, but at the same time I'm dying to. And I'm not trying to be spiteful here, I legitimately just can't bring myself to do it. I'm even hoping that changes, but so far it hasn't. I appreciate your opinion in this matter and will continue keep an open mind. I saw the review on Amazon. The reviewer gave the book five stars, but did hate the fact that Janeway and Chakotay will not be on Voyager. He called it their ship and I think he's right. The one good thing seems to be that this controversy has sparked some interest in Voyager....Now if I could just find a way to get Janeway back all would be right in my world...LOL!!

 

[kimc]

For any Janeway fans still hanging around, I'd just like to mention that Full Circle is absolutely worth it. Absolutely. Possibly the finest Voyager novel published to date. Not perfect, but in all the ways that mattered everything I was hoping for.

I'm glad you enjoyed it but my "to be read" books are stacked about a mile high not to mention the fanfiction where Janeway is still alive thankyouverymuch. Perhaps someday if she's back I'll catch up on the Voyager novels but until then it's just not a priority for me.

 

[Paris]

Doesn't prevent a "Young Janeway" book. Maybe even put her in more Lost Era novels?

As a fan of Jeff Mariotte's Deny thy Father, the fifth Lost Era book, which had Ensign Janeway in it, I would be all for this. We have a Picard story in The Buried Age (as well as the Stargazer books), an upcoming Sisko story that takes place during the Tzenkethi war (hopefully in 2010), and several Kirk stories that take place pre-TOS. More Janeway back story (other than Pathways and Mosaic) would be very welcome. What did she do after the al-Batani? How long did she serve on the Billings? What other trek-universe characters have served with Janeway? Was she ever a First Officer? If so, under which Captain? All questions that I'd like answered. Hopefully one day we get more of those Lost Era books!

 

[Trek]

Haven't those in charge of the relaunch stated that she will remain dead?

Yes, but only as far as the next couple of novels are concerned (Full Circle and Unworthy) - beyond that nothing has been planned so anything is possible.

As for stories in the timeline before "Before Dishonor", the timeline between "Caretaker" and the latest events is much more narrow than, let's say the TNG timeline and most of all the TOS timeline where there's about 30 years or more in which it's possible to cram in adventures for Kirk's crew (which is a reason why I prefer to write Kes stories which takes place in an after-"Endgame" timeline, rather than writing them in the narrow timeline of seasons 1-3 of Voyager, not to mention that all those events leads up the the events in "The Gift" and "Fury" while my stories leads away from them ).

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

 

[Brit]

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

 

[Bob The Skutter]

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

So? No matter what everyone dies in the end.

 

[Paris]

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

So? No matter what everyone dies in the end.

Exactly. If you can't integrate death into your view of the Trek-Universe, then this isn't the place to hang out. The end result is always death, and without it, things would seem to stand still. If there are no consequences then there is no reason to come back book after book. And remember Brit, Janeway is still "alive" in fanfiction

 

[JoeZhang]

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

So? No matter what everyone dies in the end.

Well except for the fictional who can have as many tales as we like wherever we like - not that you'd get that from this thread, which treats Janeway like a real person who was pushed to her knees by PAD and then shoot through the back of the head (the editors were of course watching and laughing).

 

[Lynx]

There's a whole decade in which stories about Janeway can be told, three years of which have had hardly any stories in them at all. That's plenty of time in which she can have new adventures.

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

Thanks for making that comment. I was going to write something similar but hesitated because it might have been regarded as an attempt to be negative only because for the sake of being negative.

First I must state that I do love to re-read the season 1-3 Voyager books, I love to read the background story of Janeway in Mosaic" and also the background stories for the other crew members in "Pathways".

I must also state that I wouldn't mind if someone did throw in some Janeway "flashback" story or something similar about the other crewmembers as well.

But an ongoing series of "young Janeway" stories? No, I don't think so.

And as Brit stated, it wouldn't lead to anything in the long run because it will eventually lead up to the current situation and what we got there. It will be some surrogate to the fans but not solve the problem we have.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

All of which would end up with her still being dead, no thank you.

Brit

So? No matter what everyone dies in the end.

Well except for the fictional who can have as many tales as we like wherever we like - not that you'd get that from this thread, which treats Janeway like a real person who was pushed to her knees by PAD and then shoot through the back of the head (the editors were of course watching and laughing).

Well exactly, there's always stories that can be told, that fit, or not, with continuity, and death can be reversed in fiction, for one reason or another, so why does it matter?
Personally I prefer a story where there is an element of actual danger to the characters. If you know they'll always survive, and nothing terrible can ever happen to them and change their world forever... and you always come back to the status quo then what's the point?

 

[Paris]

Thanks for making that comment. I was going to write something similar but hesitated because it might have been regarded as an attempt to be negative only because for the sake of being negative.

...passive agressive much? Are we keeping you down, buddy?

But an ongoing series of "young Janeway" stories? No, I don't think so.

Who said anything about an ongoing series of young Janeway books? I know some people, including myself, would like to see a Lost Era book featuring a younger Janeway, but I didn't see anyone say that a YJ series is what they are looking for. I must have missed it in the previous comments. If you're able, please specify...

 

[Lynx]

Thanks for making that comment. I was going to write something similar but hesitated because it might have been regarded as an attempt to be negative only because for the sake of being negative.

...passive agressive much? Are we keeping you down, buddy?

But an ongoing series of "young Janeway" stories? No, I don't think so.

Who said anything about an ongoing series of young Janeway books? I know some people, including myself, would like to see a Lost Era book featuring a younger Janeway, but I didn't see anyone say that a YJ series is what they are looking for. I must have missed it in the previous comments. If you're able, please specify...

I may have been a bit unclear in my previous post but I did see some comment about "young Janeway" as well and thought that one or more Lost Era books about a younger Janeway would be about the same.

But as I also wrote in my previous post, I wouldn't mind having one flashback book or so but it won't solve the current problem.

 

[Lynx]

And Janeway is alive and well in lots of Voyager novels, so what is your point?

Unfortunately most of those books, especially the masterpieces which were written during seasons 1-3 of Voyager are very hard to get these days. Having to chase them on Ebay and other similar forums is not that funny.

I really wish that PocketBooks would make the older books available. I mean,they are classic masterpieces and should always be available.

 

[Paris]

...But as I also wrote in my previous post, I wouldn't mind having one flashback book or so but it won't solve the current problem.

One man's problem is another man's solution

 

[Astraea]

But an ongoing series of "young Janeway" stories? No, I don't think so.

Pocket already tried this, with a couple of Young Janeway YA novels.

And, Lynx, have you tried getting old novels off of Amazon, via used book shops? That usually works well for me (though I haven't tried it for the really old books - I could use new(er) copies of TNG's Masks and Contamination really badly and haven't gone looking yet.)

 

[Lynx]

But an ongoing series of "young Janeway" stories? No, I don't think so.

Pocket already tried this, with a couple of Young Janeway YA novels.

And, Lynx, have you tried getting old novels off of Amazon, via used book shops? That usually works well for me (though I haven't tried it for the really old books - I could use new(er) copies of TNG's Masks and Contamination really badly and haven't gone looking yet.)

I've bought some old novels via Amazon but not so many. I remember spending some time searching before I got a copy of "Ragnarok" which was the only one missing in my Voyager collection and the only one I didn't buy from my usual provider. But that was about nine years ago.

I also remember that I bought the first DS9 relaunch book from Amazon since I wanted facts about Ro Laren's return.

 

[Trent Roman]

No one in charge has said anything about Janeway being permanently gone as a character. Just you.

Misrepresent much? We've been told that current editorial policy is that Janeway is dead, dead, dead and not coming back.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman