Please explain this before I rate it (spoilers)

[skep155]

1) The Nokia unit was in a 300 year old antique car. No problem there. (Likewise, calling something a 'Bud Classic' in no way means the company is still in operation. Just that someone makes something that tastes like a 300 year old beer. Hardly unbelievable.)

It sure didn't seem like that Nokia communications device was from the 21st century. I dunno, it was just... weird.

I was about to nit about the "Cardassian Sunrise" drink, but I guess if they were mentioned on ENT, then it's not too much of a stretch that the feds had met them by the 23rd...

Guys, I'm really torn on this one. I was ready to give an above average up until the timeline wasn't resolved. But I don't feel it deserves a poor, because most of the movie was great. I dunno, it may just have to grow on me, but I think I'll have to give it a rating pending as I just can't bring myself to rate it based on the non-closure.

BTW... cinema was about 70% full. The screen looked only about 3-4 times bigger than my one at home. Of course it would be much more, but at home, I almost have to turn my head to see all the action. At the cinema, I could see the whole screen in like half my field of vision. Lots of geeks in the audience, a chubby crowd and lots of glasses - amazingly, nobody seemed to get the 47 reference, and a couple of other nods.

Sure, if it restarts the franchise, then good, but I can't see Tuvok existing... I mean, out of 10,000 Vulcans, compared to 6 billion, what are the chances?

Lol let it go, im glad its now set in an alternate reality. Tuvok exists in the original universe, i dont give a stuff whether he ever exists in an alternate universe. The Abramsverse will rock and there will be a new seperate canon created around it.

 

[RevdKathy]

I can see why setting off in an alternate timeline is deeply appealing to the creators. They can work with this shiney new crew without worrying too much about continuity and raping people's childhoods.

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

 

[Tom Riley]

I was expecting the timeline to be reset before the end of the movie. I mean, Vulcan remained blown up. Was something actually done about this, or will all future Trek movies be set in this alternate universe? If so, I'm a little pissed.

2 nits:

A nokia comm system in Kirks' car... brands in the 23rd century, wtf?

The Kelvin carried 800 people, yet the Enterprise only carries 300 and is the flagship... didn't carrying that many people on a vessel not come in until the turn of the century?

Otherwise, an above average from me. Quinto was awesome as Spock, and the way Trek was respect whilst trying to make it "cool" again was pulled off very well. I just don't like the fact that the timeline seemingly wasn't reset at the end.

I think the better comparison would the fact that the Enterprise D which is how many times larger only carried just over 1000. However, if the were transporting colonists or something like someone else mentioned it would totally explain it.

The Nokia. Thank god it was the ONLY time they did something like that in the movie.

And as for the timeline, that's not something they could have fixed without further time travel and well... what was the point? Besides, according to the theory of quantum reality, every timeline exists, even after it has been altered, the original still continues in a parallel universe. Besides, it would beinteresting to see what kind of effect the destruction of Vulcan will have on this timeline. Idk about anyone else, but I think the destruction of one of the main planets of the federation would certainly have a big impact. If any of the dead Vulcans or their descendents were destined to some important or high power position...

 

[Ovation]

I can see why setting off in an alternate timeline is deeply appealing to the creators. They can work with this shiney new crew without worrying too much about continuity and raping people's childhoods.

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

No such paradox if it is an alternate timeline.

 

[SalvorHardin]

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

What grandfather paradox exactly ?

 

[Starbreaker]

Isn't the grandfather paradox where you go back in time and try to kill your grandpa?

 

[Brent]

I for one am glad there was no reset, finally.

I loath the reset.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I am thrilled that Vulcan remains destroyed. Real events with consequences and NO RESET BUTTON is exactly what Trek has needed for years. The event itself isn't even really that important IMO.

Yes!!!! Finally actions with consequences and real danger! Citizens, rejoice! I don't get why anyone would prefer a cop out.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

What grandfather paradox exactly ?

Isn't the grandfather paradox where you go back in time and try to kill your grandpa?

Exactly. So as long as young Spock doesn't kill old Spock, which we can assume he won't, there's no problem, see?

 

[SalvorHardin]

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

What grandfather paradox exactly ?

Isn't the grandfather paradox where you go back in time and try to kill your grandpa?

Exactly. So as long as young Spock doesn't kill old Spock, which we can assume he won't, there's no problem, see?

Even if young Spock kills old Spock there is no paradox... They are not from the same universe.

 

[Aragorn]

Sabotage by Beastie Boys

My husband commented he enjoyed that bit.

That is the ultimate Trek blasphemy!!! Everyone knows that once humans become civilized, only classical music makes it into the 23rd/24th centuries!!!!

And what's up with Budweiser? The only drink humans like in Star Trek is tea, damnit!!!

 

[Brent]

I could see there being "oldies" music channels to listen to

 

[mredom]

The Kelvin carried 800 people, yet the Enterprise only carries 300 and is the flagship... didn't carrying that many people on a vessel not come in until the turn of the century?

Did I miss something? I don't recall anyone saying what the crew complement was on the Enterprise. Maybe I missed it, but I assumed that this was a bigger ship, especially considering the size of engineering!

I guess my thought was if the Kelvin had over 800, the Enterprise was probably at least as large.

 

[BarryWaddle]

I for one am glad there was no reset, finally.

I loath the reset.

Wait for it...Wait for it...Again, I'm plugging a rumor I heard...2 or 3 more movies with this young crew...Reset is still a possibility. As Spock Prime (He's an Ambassador, dammit! Not a Transformer!) once said..."There are always possibilities."

 

[borgboy]

A reset isn't necessary, the original timeline still exists. We've seen other timelines on Trek all the time.
I have an odd question though. Does anybody know when Saavik was born? I'm just wondering if Saavik will exist in this timeline, even if we are unlikely to ever see her.

 

[Brent]

A reset isn't necessary, the original timeline still exists. We've seen other timelines on Trek all the time.
I have an odd question though. Does anybody know when Saavik was born? I'm just wondering if Saavik will exist in this timeline, even if we are unlikely to ever see her.

I think in some novels, but I don't know the details. It hasn't been explored onscreen. There is a rumor she is half vulcan, half romulan.

 

[USS KG5]

It sure didn't seem like that Nokia communications device was from the 21st century. I dunno, it was just... weird.

Well it used nothing that is not existing technology, probably a little mod someone put in.

Besides SOMEONE has to make stuff in the 23rd century, you don't have to eliminate corporations to make the world a better place, just make them a bit less evil on the whole.

It would only take tiny movements from all of us to make the world a better place you know, the problem is they would be needed from ALL of us.

 

[Tikkun]

I can see why setting off in an alternate timeline is deeply appealing to the creators. They can work with this shiney new crew without worrying too much about continuity and raping people's childhoods.

But I don't think they tackled seriously the fact that they've created a ghastly grandfather paradox with the two Spocks...

Ah - the classic question. If nuSpock kills PSpock - will he cease to exist? In which case, of course, there will be no one to kill PSpock and.........

 

[bryce]

In VOY, Tuvok was born in the "Vulcanis(sp?) Lunar Colony" ...since we know "Vulcan has no moon", then for all we know, his birthplace is a Vulcan settlement on *Earth's* Moon (Lunar = Luna = Earth's Moon)...or even a moon of another world (neither Earth or Vulcan) called "Vulcanis"...

And that "colony" could already exist in nuTrek's timeline.

So what I am saying - is that it's *possible* his family still exists in this new timeline.

Or not.

(It will depend on what future Trek writers/producers/creators decide on the matter - if they even decide to explore that issue...)

 

[scottydog]

Sorry I don't know why it double posted.

You didn't double post -- this one appeared in an alternate universe!