Spoilers Please explain the baddie plan

[Yistaan]

Once, and they were explained. Nothing is explained in this show. Nothing is spoken about. No consequences for any actions. Easy to pluck out moments of a show that lasted seven seasons and take pot shots at it.

I'm not sure what you want Shaw to do, keep Seven locked in the brig once he knew Starfleet was infiltrated by changelings? Yes he's established as by the book but not to the point of ignoring all common sense when there are immediate threats that Seven would be useful in helping with.

He shot them in the last episode for feck's sake. Was shooting them all over the shop. The fella who was losing it in the holodeck with Picard and now he's dying for the same fecker who allowed Jack to escape the Titan in a shuttlecraft. Good lord.

There was a line where Shaw screamed out "Set all weapons to stun" or something like that

 

[Racefuel]

Once, and they were explained. Nothing is explained in this show. Nothing is spoken about. No consequences for any actions. Easy to pluck out moments of a show that lasted seven seasons and take pot shots at it.

Rikers coverup for his entire starfleet career, lying to Picard, engaging in conspiracy and the eventual hearing were *never* mentioned again, ever, after the episode ended. It had *no* impact on his eventual rise to command, was allowed to retain all of his authority and positions and it was never explained.

None of what ever happened to any TNG character ever had any follow up other than Ro's defection to the Maquis, and even then we didn't get the conclusion until this season.

Chakotay was allowed to go on and command an experimental ship despite having taken up arms both against the Federation and engaged in terrorism.

You're pointing out what you see as story flaws when in reality it is keeping pace with every Star Trek story plot ever.

 

[Cortez]

They actually weren't.

Again, I don't care. I'm talking about this show, not Trek as a whole.

 

[Yistaan]

Rikers coverup for his entire starfleet career, lying to Picard, engaging in conspiracy and the eventual hearing were *never* mentioned again, ever, after the episode ended. It had *no* impact on his eventual rise to command, was allowed to retain all of his authority and positions and it was never explained.

Well, Pressman did say that he had "a lot of friends in Starfleet Command"

 

[Tuskin38]

Again, I don't care. I'm talking about this show, not Trek as a whole.

But this show is connected to the rest of the franchise. People are going to refer back to it it whether you like it or not.

You can't just ignore it, because this show is influenced by it.

 

[Cortez]

I'm not sure what you want Shaw to do, keep Seven locked in the brig once he knew Starfleet was infiltrated by changelings? Yes he's established as by the book but not to the point of ignoring all common sense when there are immediate threats that Seven would be useful in helping with.

There was a line where Shaw screamed out "Set all weapons to stun" or something like that

Again, fastening onto certain statements I've made when I use them to illustrate the lack of character consistency. There's no consistency. They shouldn't have been in charge at this stage. They allowed Jack to leave the ship. They allowed everything to happen. And then he dies for them! Crazy

 

[Racefuel]

There was a line where Shaw screamed out "Set all weapons to stun" or something like that

It was Picard at 31:47. Shaw then immediately switches to stun with the phaser indicator going from red to blue

 

[Tuskin38]

They allowed Jack to leave the ship.

They didn't let him leave, they couldn't stop him.

 

[Racefuel]

Again, I don't care. I'm talking about this show, not Trek as a whole.

You can't isolate this show from Star Trek just to tear it apart outside of the context of the franchise it is part of, it's nonsensical.

You keep wanting to do that because its the only way your criticisms have any sort of solid ground to stand on. Once it is pointed out that the things your referencing are completely in character with how Starfleet has been portrayed for over 50 years now..it suddenly becomes evident that what you're upset about is just Star Trek.

 

[Cortez]

But this show is connected to the rest of the franchise. People are going to refer back to it it whether you like it or not.

You can't just ignore it, because this show is influenced by it.

The show isn't. Perfect example. Why in the name of good £$%D was Picard on his families vineyard during the first season of this show? (dont give me the show, his brother and his son were burned alive there in Generations) Another one, why would the Picard we knew from the series ever have a relationship with Beverly towards the end of the show? That crap was over after the first few seasons.

 

[Tuskin38]

The show isn't.

It most certianlly is.

Why in the name of good £$%D was Picard on his families vineyard during the first season of this show?

It was explained why in that season.

That crap was over after the first few seasons.

There were hints at it going all the way to season 7. In the All Good Things alternate future they were divorced.

 

[Racefuel]

The show isn't. Perfect example. Why in the name of good £$%D was Picard on his families vineyard during the first season of this show? (dont give me the show, his brother and his son were burned alive there in Generations) Another one, why would the Picard we knew from the series ever have a relationship with Beverly towards the end of the show? That crap was over after the first few seasons.

The show is part of Star Trek, just because you don't think it is doesn't mean the square root of fuck all.

Picard left starfleet because he was disillusioned, humiliated and decided to try going back to the family legacy. This is exactly what he did in the hypothetical future Q created in All Good Things also.
Again, your criticisms are weak and have no basis in Trek history because the content you're upset about is following both foreshadowed events and established character personality traits.

 

[Cortez]

They didn't let him leave, they couldn't stop him.

Ah come on. A scene before Picard walks into him Troi basically said you're compromised. Then he walked in. Beyond that, a conveniently placed phaser still beside him and the whole ship knows that he can control people. It's absurd. Like seriously, it's horrendous writing.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ah come on. A scene before Picard walks into him Troi basically said you're compromised. Then he walked in. Beyond that, a conveniently placed phaser still beside him and the whole ship knows that he can control people. It's absurd. Like seriously, it's horrendous writing.

They still didn't just let him leave. They couldn't stop him.

 

[Yistaan]

Picard left starfleet because he was disillusioned, humiliated and decided to try going back to the family legacy.

If he knew he had a parietal lobe defect that could lead to irumodic syndrome (and this season retconned it into Picard outright saying he "lived with irumodic syndrome for decades"), WHY didn't he go live on Ba'ku? Ba'ku was literally able to regenerate Geordi's eyes. If Picard stayed on Ba'ku, his Borg DNA might have been suppressed while he stayed there and maybe even any child he conceived there wouldn't inherit it.

 

[Cortez]

This doesn't relate to the villians motivations or plans in this season and doesn't really require extensive amounts of justification given this has happened before in Star Trek history. Riker was allowed to remain first officer of the Federation Flagship despite having been an active and willing participant in a conspiracy to violate the Treaty of Algeron.

Dont get me started on the villains motivations.

 

[Tuskin38]

Dont get me started on the villains motivations.

Good, because they make sense.

 

[Racefuel]

Dont get me started on the villains motivations.

Are you even capable of having a discussion about them or a debate about them without having to have preconditions that any and all discussions of prior trek are not valid because of reasons?

At this point I think you're not able because you're not well versed in Star Trek lore and history and the way you're getting around it is by discounting every other bit of Star Trek that came before it.

 

[Cortez]

They still didn't just let him leave. They couldn't stop him.

Do you not find that ridiculously convenient ?

 

[fireproof78]

Good, because they make sense.

Yeah, I've been revisting it and I'm less concerned about it now.