Pine: Star Trek 2 Threat

[Matt S]

Didn't Orci say there are no reset buttons anymore?

Didn't Nimoy say that Wrath of Khan would be his last Star Trek film?

LOL, yup!

 

[Set Harth]

Orci once said the sequel would be inspired by The Dark Knight. Which means Uhura is killed by the bad guy and Spock blames Kirk for it, and the Tumbler, err, the Enterprise gets destroyed.

Bring on the Trek-pod!

 

[JudgeDredd]

You guys are missing a big hint in that story...

“The force [the Enterprise crew] are met with is much more frightening.

It's Mitchell. He's the character who best fits "frightening force." Maybe Lord Garth, outside odds on Gary Seven, but Khan is less lkely than a herd of tribbles. He represents a threatening idea more than a force, and popcorn movies are poor places to explore ideas. Mitchell and his glowing eyes are tailor made for a summer flick.

Not that I wouldn't mind Mitchell, but the comics are canon. Mitchell is "killed" in the first arc. Do you think they're going to completely ignore the comics continuity or deal with Mitchell's return?

 

[Set Harth]

You guys are missing a big hint in that story...

“The force [the Enterprise crew] are met with is much more frightening.

It's Mitchell. He's the character who best fits "frightening force." Maybe Lord Garth, outside odds on Gary Seven, but Khan is less lkely than a herd of tribbles. He represents a threatening idea more than a force, and popcorn movies are poor places to explore ideas. Mitchell and his glowing eyes are tailor made for a summer flick.

Not that I wouldn't mind Mitchell, but the comics are canon.

I refer you to this post:

Orci stated at Comic-Con, when pressed, that all of the recent IDW Star Trek comic books are canon...

And he's already walked back that statement:

0h please. have a little fun. i said and have said exactly what you just said forever, but Pascale pushed me, he wont give up! i have said a million times that we cant determine what is canon. on this day, i said something else. “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”

(Source: comment #102 in this TrekMovie post.)

So the comics still aren't considered canonical. Basically an interviewer was pushing the question and trying to convince Orci to declare he would treat Abramsverse Trek tie-ins as the same kind of non-binding "canon" as Star Wars tie-ins, and Orci just played along, probably because it was easier than arguing.

 

[Drago-Kazov]

Ins[ired by Dark Knight. The federation will turn against Kirk, let's reember how the Archon comic had ended.

 

[JarodRussell]

He's the Captain they deserve, and not the one they need right now. LOL.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Why would anyone in their right minds let comics drive the movies anyway? The money to be made from movies is vastly greater. The success of the franchise depends on the next movie being a hit. The comics can be a big hit by comics standards, but that money is piddly by comparison and won't get more movies or a TV series greenlit.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Orci should have said that to the interviewer, although it would probably sound too business focused and crass for a fan audience, even though it's just reality.

The villain will be whoever he needs to be, to maximize box office potential. Gary Mitchell fits the Darkness taglne well, and his story is nice and simple, ready made to be told within the constraints of a two hour movie, and it's different from the vengeance plotline of the last movie, which they won't want to repeat.

Darvin is an iffier fit - like Khan, there would be too much backstory to explain (why does he look human? What are the Feds and Klingons fighting about?) But he does fit in with the earlier efforts to cast a Hispanic actor in the role, which would fit Khan or Darvin but not Mitchell (although it could have been a PC attempt to bring a bit more diversity into a heavily white male cast or beef up box office in Latin America.)

 

[Drago-Kazov]

Why would anyone in their right minds let comics drive the movies anyway?

What do you mean by that? And correct me if ia m wrong but wasn't Countdown a prequel to the movie. i don't see the big deal.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Why would anyone in their right minds let comics drive the movies anyway? The money to be made from movies is vastly greater. The success of the franchise depends on the next movie being a hit. The comics can be a big hit by comics standards, but that money is piddly by comparison and won't get more movies or a TV series greenlit.

The comics don't lead anything. They merely have co-writer Bob Orci from Bad Robot giving his input, and telling them what ground they aren't allowed to cover (i.e. "Space Seed" is conspicuous by it's absence among the TOS adaptations) as well as providing a few clues to the next movie in the stories (i.e. Cupcake, returning in thr next film, has been named Mr. Hendorf - presumably Orci told them to call him that) The story for the next movie was already set and the script being written when Star Trek Ongoing began.

 

[BillJ]

The story for the next movie was already set and the script being written when Star Trek Ongoing began.

Considering that they probably began work on the comic in late-2010, I doubt they had the story already set.

If it was set, the misdirection provided by it would be something I wouldn't put past Abrams and Company.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

As for those uniforms we saw some time back, I almost got the impression that they weren't Starfleet unis and that Scotty and Chekov perhaps were infiltrating another organization (Section 31, maybe?) I'm just sayin'.

I don't know, they kind of remind me of the uniforms all the officers where wearing around Starfleet Academy.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The story for the next movie was already set and the script being written when Star Trek Ongoing began.

Considering that they probably began work on the comic in late-2010, I doubt they had the story already set.

If it was set, the misdirection provided by it would be something I wouldn't put past Abrams and Company.

I'm going by this article here: http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/19/orci-freedom-of-new-star-trek-movie-timeline-scary/

We sat on a story that we had for a while and waited to see if it still felt relevant a year or two later, after we’d all gone through a bunch of stuff. And it still did.

I think I was wrong to say they were already writing the script at that time. But it seems they had the rough story.