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Piller's tell-all book on Insurrection (unpublished)

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Apparently, most of the book was posted on TrekCore but was taken down. It would have been an interesting, frank, and interesting read about the toils of making this film.

I found this commentary (play along with the film) where one of the two fans has read much of this book and gives us what we are not not able to read.
 
I'd forgotten about that, I started reading and kinda fell off it a while back. I'll have to start up again someday. There was a great story somewhere in Insurrection, and what little I read indicated it was tanked by Stewart and (mostly) Spiner.
 
I found it an interesting read, and you can see where the mistakes were made in the drafts that kept getting worse and worse with each rewrite. Too many overlords...
 
Found it on the web. Don’t know whether I should post a link.

FWIW, it took me less than ten minutes to find it.
 
People who have posted links here before have been asked to remove them, if I remember correctly. I believe it's because Piller's family has said they don't want the book out there.
 
People who have posted links here before have been asked to remove them, if I remember correctly. I believe it's because Piller's family has said they don't want the book out there.


Dennis is right though. Once something's out on the internet, it's out forever. I just found my copy on Google. It took thirty seconds to locate. I'll save the rest of you the trouble of searching.

I'm going to post a link to a download site. If the mods don't want the link posted, they are of course free to delete or edit my post as they see fit.

[Link removed]

Sorry, folks. This has to be removed.
 
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;) I don't understand the Piller family's problem with the book being out there at all. Michael wrote the book so that people would read it. Unless the Piller's intend to publish it, there's no sense in sitting on it.

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I'm abut 52 pages in. I'm reading the treatment for Stardust. Even in an extremely rough form it is far superior to Insurrection and has some great ideas. I like the Kirk-like Duffy character and the android dream team idea is cool.

I do find one of Piller's notions both interesting and odd.

The treatment suggests that the philosophical transitions between Kirk's and Picard's era were rough. Much like the 60s. Duffy represented old school Starfleet and Picard, the next... *ahem... generation. All of that is well and good but the way Piller defines the philosophical divide makes no sense.

Piller suggests Kirk's era was about going to space and teaching alien species, in old school British Colonial fashion. Whereas Picard's era is about going out into space and learning from alien species.

Essentially Piller seems to view Kirk as just a conqueror, engaging in gunboat diplomacy, while Picard is just an enlightened diplomat.

I dunno about that. What about Corbomite Manuever? What about Devil in the Dark? Hell, even in Balance of Terror Kirk managed to learn something about himself from fighting his Romulan adversary. Kirk was extremely open minded and learned frequently.

Picard on the other hand was constantly lecturing other life forms on how humans were the single greatest thing in the universe since the invention of individually wrapped slices of processed cheese. Picard was exceedingly arrogant about humanity's place in the cosmos.

It's weird how Piller took some of the worst excesses of the 24th Century era and projected them on the 23rd in an attempt to make Picard look evolved, and Kirk look like an ape.

Just annoys the shit out of me.
 
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;) I don't understand the Piller family's problem with the book being out there at all. Michael wrote the book so that people would read it. Unless the Piller's intend to publish it, there's no sense in sitting on it.

NP

Im abut 52 pages in. I'm reading the treatment for Stardust. Even in an extremely rough form it is far superior to Insurrection and has some great ideas. I like the Kirklike Duffy character and the android dream team idea is cool. I do find one of Piller's notions both interesting and odd. The treatment suggests that the philosophical transitions between Kirk's and Picard's era were rough. Much like the 60s. Duffy represented old school Starfleet and Picard, the next... *ahem... generation. All of that is well and good but the way Piller defines the philosophical divide makes no sense.

Piller suggests Kirk's era was about going to space and teaching alien species, in old school British Colonial fashion. Whereas Picard's era is about going out into space and learning from alien species.

Essentially Piller seems to view Kirk as just a conqueror, engaging in gunboat diplomacy, while Picard is just an enlightened diplomat.

I dunno about that. What about Corbomite Manuever? What about Devil in the Dark? Hell, even in Balance of Terror Kirk managed to learn something about himself from fighting his Romulan adversary. Kirk was extremely open minded and learned frequently.
Picard on the other hand was constantly lecturing other life forms on how humans were the single greatest thing in the universe since the invention of individually wrapped slices of processed cheese. Picard was exceedingly arrogant about humanity's place in the cosmos.

It's weird how Picard took some of the worst excesses of the 24th Century era and projected them on the 23rd in an attempt to make Picard look evolved, and Kirk look like an ape.

Just annoys the shit out of me.

Nothing here I disagree with. :techman:
 
I just read the next chapter. I think it's hilarious the way Rick Berman read the story and nearly shit his pants. "You want to tell our star he's an old man?" So because they're terrified of insulting Patrick Stewart's vanity they decide to dump their whole Fountain of Youth storyline.

What an idiotic way to make movies.

I do think the idea of Data replacing Duffy was a good one though. But it sucks that they had to lose Duffy, because you gain so much insight about both Picard's past and Federation culture, because of him.

Stil Picard vs. Data was a good idea that was bungled in Insurrection. I'm going to read the revised treatment now.
 
The second draft wasn't too bad. Joss was certainly a more interesting villain than Ru'Afu or Shinzon. The alien species with their ability to cast illusions, as a means of communication, were a fascinating idea. Also that final battle with the Romulans would have been epic.

I didn't like the second draft as much as I liked Stardust but there were still a lot of good ideas in it.

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Fuck you Jonathan Dolgen and Patrick Stewart!

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Reading Patrick Stewarts memo to Berman and Piller was kind of interesting. He made some good points but... once he came aboard things got worse and worse... so he was no real help in improving the existing story. Not at all.

So I maintain my previous statement. Fuck you, Patrick Stewart.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Fuck you, Sir Patrick Stewart!

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Read some more. Piller's memo defending his story was quite well written.

Patrick Stewart's memo, disagreeing with Piller's memo was also well written. He made a lot of good points that in a movie you must "Boldly go!". I like that. Still after FC the TNG cast never did "Boldly go!" ever again. That was for JJ and his cast to do. I get what Stewart was saying though and the problem really was that the TNG characters just weren't BIG enough to fill the big screen. They were too cerebral and introspective.

Not all the revisionism in the world could make the TNG characters bigger than life. Though they did try like a motherfucker. I will give them that.

They just weren't the classic cast.
 
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I found it an interesting read. I think Stewart made some good points, and I see where Piller was trying to go with the story.

I enjoyed the film. It wasn't the big blockbuster that most were hoping for and it wasn't much of an attraction to new/casual fans. However, I find myself echoing many of the positive responses - that it just felt nice somehow.
 
I'm not even going to recap my reading any further... It's just getting more depressing the farther I get... From Stardust to Insurrection. Good lord! :eek:
 
It really does go to hell. I might've enjoyed Stardust far more than Insurrection. Still, INS is lightyears better than NEMESIS.
 
I finished the book early this morning. I just had to say that I found the last couple of chapters heartbreaking. Piller had such hopes that Insurrection would be well received. Sitting in with the preview audiences thinking they loved it... Rick Berman telling him they were dead... The reedditing and reshoots to improve it and the seeming improvement in audience response...

And then the reviews. Some good. Some bad. Some atrocious. But I guess from his POV they were mostly mixed.

Then seeing it the day after it opened with an audience.... a HALF-FULL audience... BTW I saw it the day after it opened and my theater was packed. I wish Piller had been in Portland when he saw the movie. :)

It was nice reading his relief that it had a great first weekend but so friggin' sad when he saw the drop off the following weekend and realized that he hadn't written a hit. He'd written a disaster.

I mean reading this book you realized that he wasn't Ehren Kruger hacking out Transformers 2 for a turkey sandwich and a six pack of beer. He had come up with a story that had meaning to him. He thought he had done a fantastic job. Did everything he could to make the writing the very best it could be. He didn't think he was writing the worst-though I realize it's debatable-Trek of them all. He just wanted to write something that had the heart of the television series, something gentle and full of fine characterizations but...

It just didn't work. Michael Piller for all his heart and talent had a television mindset that he couldn't overcome. That nobody on the production could overcome. Everything about the movie from the writing, to the production design and to the scope was hopelessly mired in television.

Insurrection just wasn't a movie.

It's a movie that I've always hated. But I don't hate Piller. I've read through his outlines and realized that his heart was in the right place...

...but in the end it just didn't work.

All I can say is that as awful as it was, I'm almost glad Insurrection happened. Because without it we wouldn't have Fade In, which is a far better epitaph for the kind of writer and man that Michael Piller really was.

RIP Michael! And thank you.
 
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