We need to get back to arguing about Cap'n Kork!
Pike Character Teaser
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You’re about an inch from a trolling warning. This bullshit is not welcome here.
In a champagne bottle?We need to get back to arguing about Cap'n Kork!
Like everything else they do on the Enterprise, light-years away from their planet. If they can put a fake Admiral there (who was on a two-person shuttle before if I remember correctly) - they can put the fear an unrealistic death sentence paragraph in people's minds.
But Sulu mentions it in Turnabout Intruder...
In my head canon the Talos IV General Order was renumbered after the incident in both parts of "The Menagerie." Starfleet Command reclassified it due to how well Kirk handled the contact and peacefully Pike was transferred to the Talosians' custodianship.
The Talos Death Penalty is treated as entirely real throughout "The Menagerie."
Mendez invokes it while still aboard the starbase, in a private conversation with Kirk before he's replaced by an illusion.
Spock continues to treat it seriously after all the chicanery and illusion have been dropped: "Ask you to face the death penalty too? One of us was enough, captain."
So, we can take it as read that there was, in fact, a capital charge attached to contact with Talos.
No, it makes little sense. But if you step back and analyze the wraparound story for the two-parter, none of it is consistent or makes any sense. Roddenberry assembled an unlikely and threadbare narrative to justify the use of material from the Hunter pilot, and he jacked up the stakes as high as he could in every way he could. Declaring what Spock did to be an offense punishable by death was just supposed to have viewers on the edge of their seats, and that's all.
I can only say that at the age of twelve, in 1967, it worked very well on me.
Mendez invokes it while still aboard the starbase, in a private conversation with Kirk before he's replaced by an illusion.
Spock continues to treat it seriously after all the chicanery and illusion have been dropped: "Ask you to face the death penalty too? One of us was enough, captain."
So, we can take it as read that there was, in fact, a capital charge attached to contact with Talos.
No, it makes little sense. But if you step back and analyze the wraparound story for the two-parter, none of it is consistent or makes any sense. Roddenberry assembled an unlikely and threadbare narrative to justify the use of material from the Hunter pilot, and he jacked up the stakes as high as he could in every way he could. Declaring what Spock did to be an offense punishable by death was just supposed to have viewers on the edge of their seats, and that's all.
I can only say that at the age of twelve, in 1967, it worked very well on me.
Why do you hate women so much?
And that is why Pike is the most interesting character for me. That introspective, humble style of service is not without it's struggles or even comes naturally.
New Interview with Anson Mount:
We don't deserve the kind soul that is Anson Mount.
no we don't but I'm glad he's Captain Pike.
And
In another reality, he says “punch it.”
Anyone else think discovery should never have shown pike's fate? it has sort of ruined strange new worlds in a way now.
however i guess discovery needed to squeeze that in for season 2 to keep fans watching since the red angel story line was pretty thin, however i am sure they never thought pike will be become a fan favourite that he will get his own series.
what a shame , since SNW is meant to be a prequel to TOS, so there is no chance he will escape such a fate.
they really should have left it out of discovery.
however i guess discovery needed to squeeze that in for season 2 to keep fans watching since the red angel story line was pretty thin, however i am sure they never thought pike will be become a fan favourite that he will get his own series.
what a shame , since SNW is meant to be a prequel to TOS, so there is no chance he will escape such a fate.
they really should have left it out of discovery.
Eh, anyone who's watched TOS knows Pike's fate.
No. It was brilliant and it enhances Pike's stature in a number of ways, some obvious and some more subtle.
Next.
No.
Not gonna defend some of the Red Angel stuff but Pike now having insight into his destiny and preparing for the day he makes that sacrifice is only going to make both Pike's character and Anson Mount's performance that much more meaningful and potentially stronger. Pike knows something no other Trek Captain save arguably Archer ever learned: his long-term fate. And it's not a pleasant one.
DSC made a lot of mistakes but this wasn't one of them.
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