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Picard's Perfect Mate

Who is the perfect mate for Picard?


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Oooo science!

I believe there's an argument to be made that Beverly Crusher serves many of the purposes that a spouse would. Jean-Luc and Beverly eat together almost daily. She is the only crew member frequently seen in his quarters. She fixes his collar in "Insurrection". They attend concerts together. When her universe collapses, he's the last person to disappear. They seek each other out when upset "The Host" and "The Perfect Mate". She goes to him when she can't sleep in "Cause and Effect". We find out he's very much in love with her in "Attached" and she turns him down.

We then see in "All Good Things" how much the idea of losing him shakes her, and it is implied fairly having that as soon as the idea that her time with him might be limited, they marry. (Yes, they divorce, but it appears to be amicable.) Very good friends can share a kind of intimacy that is similar to that found in marriage. (lacking the sexual part, of course) I do believe it's worth mentioning that they have a very intimate relationship.

Phillipa and Kamala both seem more plausible as spouses or partners. I think it's safe to assume that Phillipa's relationship with him was more than a one time thing. (I don't think generates that kind of tension from a quickie)

Were Kamala not promised to someone else, the very fact that she had imprinted fully on him makes her a very logical choice as a mate. I found them very emotionally and intellectually compatable. She also seemed like she would be quite comfortable settling down.

Vash and Picard are very sexually capable, but I can't picture them procreating or remaining together long-term. (as number 3 would imply) Vash choose to leave Picard to explore the universe (amongst other things) with Q. When she arrived back in the Alpha Quadrant, she didn't seek out Picard, she returned to her lifestyle as it had been before she met him. She left the good captain, which is why she did not get my vote. ;)
 
Actually in Attached, Picard admitted he was in love with Beverly - past tense.

Picard "And then, little by little, I realized that I didn't have those feelings anymore . . . twenty years is, after all, a long time."

She left the good captain, which is why she did not get my vote. ;)

In canon, Dr. Beverly Crusher not only turns down Picard's offer for a sexual relationship (season seven Attached) but also leaves him - twice, once in season two and again at the end of 'Nemesis' both for Star Fleet Medical. That is not even mentioning the divorce in the alternate timeline. ;)

IMO, Picard and Beverly's relationship works best as the close platonic friendship given to us in canon.

For the most perfect mate (meaning a romantic/sexual partner) my vote goes to the only character in canon to have a recurring sexual relationship with Picard - Vash.:)

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
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Fair enough. Wouldn't want to mate with your enemy. ;)

What about Kamala? The only hangup I can find for her is that she is married to someone else, who wasn't that interested in her in the first place. Should she be widowed or otherwise released?

Also Phillipa. You've yet to shoot her down yet.

Edited to add: Beverly left for her career, twice and the divorce is never really explained. He could have just as easily left her because he feared dragged her down with him.

I felt it was implied that Vash was sleeping with Q.
 

Q is an intriguing idea. A bi Picard? He’d need a new uniform, but it might work. Another possibility that I mentioned before was Minuet. No one agreed with me on Minuet. Here we are in 2364, and we still haven’t put aside our prejudices against holograms. But I believe that in the not too distant future, their chains shall fall off, and holograms will become anything they want, maybe even doctors.
 
Actually in Attached, Picard admitted he was in love with Beverly - past tense.
In the end of the episode it's present tense again:

I mean now that we know how we each feel... perhaps we shouldn't be afraid to explore those feelings...
;)

No. In that final scene there is no present tense declaration of love from either of them. We are not specifically told what feelings are being discussed. Maybe he is hoping that exploring a mutual attraction might spark something more, rekindling those feeling that had died away over the years. Whatever it was, it is obvious that Crusher had absolutely no interest in exploring it.

Picard "Now that we know how each of us feels, perhaps we should not be afraid to explore those feelings."

Crusher "Or perhaps we should be afraid. I think I should be going now. Good night."

Picard "Good night."

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
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Nella Darren all the way - no other Picard relationship scene was as moving as the duet. "Lessons" make me cry almost as much as "The Inner Light" . . . but I am a big sap!
 
holograms will become anything they want, maybe even doctors.
lol!

I have to admit I was surprised Q wasn't on the poll.


I knew I forgot somebody. :lol:

I also forgot to put Eline (The Inner Light) on the poll. Would that work though? First off she's dead or never really existed except in Picard's mind. I'm sure she was real to him though. To Picard she just might have been the perfect mate. They were married and lived a whole lifetime together until her death.








I'm sticking with my original answer of Beverly though. ;)
 
I also forgot to put Eline (The Inner Light) on the poll. Would that work though? First off she's dead or never really existed except in Picard's mind. I'm sure she was real to him though. To Picard she just might have been the perfect mate. They were married and lived a whole lifetime together until her death.

I heard the writer of that episode was planning a sequel where Eline is found alive (preserved in stasis or some such technobabble) after so many years and when the ship finds her, Picard is overjoyed as he thinks of her as his wife of many, many years. She, on the other hand, is like, "Who the hell are you? Get away from me, you freak." :lol: Would have been interesting, but possibly very depressing too.
 
And, in keeping with that wish, canon went on to establish Vash as Picard's only recurring implied sex interest.

Agreed. In canon Vash is Picard only implied recurring sex partner.

But "sex and shooting" do not a "perfect mate" make, IMO.
Let's look at the definition of the word mate. According to the TheFreeDictionary's general English dictionary:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mate

Vash is the only reoccurring character that fits the third definition of the term mate (the sexual implication of the term). Beverly does not fit this definition of the term. In canon (season seven episode Attached) she turned down this type of a relationship with Picard.


Beverly certainly fits the a and b part of this definition (the platonic connotation) but so does Riker, Data, Worf, Geordi, and Deanna.


5. A deck officer on a merchant ship ranking next below the master.
6. A U.S. Navy petty officer who is an assistant to a warrant officer.
But for "perfect mate" there is only one possible candidate. Canon-wise she was a critically important part of JLP's life long before he took up captaincy of the Enterprise, and there she remained critically important to him and his welfare (don't get picky about Season 2) until the end - and she ain't Vash.
IMO, your description here more accurately fits Guinan than Beverly Crusher.

Edited to add: Using the 3rd definition of the term mate (the sexual connotation) the answer as to who would be Picard's perfect mate IMO is Vash.

Using the 4th definition of the term mate (the platonic connotation) IMO the answer is Guinan.


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

Thanks for the internet dictionary definition - I favour Oxford, Macquarie and Webster, but to each her own.

I don't think it assists your essential argument, but then again, this is all a matter of opinion. But at least no one can doubt which corner you are fighting for - good for you.

That said, having now read further through the thread I must admit to a critical mistake on my part - I forgot about Eline.

So even using Whoa Nellie's (limited) definitions of the term, I think we might all have to agree that - canonically - Eline is Picard's "perfect mate."
 
Thanks for the internet dictionary definition - I favour Oxford, Macquarie and Webster, but to each her own.

I don't think it assists your essential argument, but then again, this is all a matter of opinion. But at least no one can doubt which corner you are fighting for - good for you.

Thank you. I keep a Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary on my desk for writing and the definition for the term mate was essentially the same. However, the online dictionary was more convenient for an online discussion such as this. TheFreeDictionary's general English dictionary main source is the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dictionary.htm

You fail to mention in your post any significant differences in definition from those other sources. ;)

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

Edited to add: Pertinent definition entries for the word mate:

Oxford's Online definition for mate
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/mate_1?view=uk


Merriam-Webster Online definition for mate
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mate[3]


Macquarie Online Dictionary is a pay service and does not provide a free online dictionary.:(
 
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I voted for Kamala -- if somehow the guy for whom she was a gift decided he didn't want her, she and Picard would've been fabulous together.

The chemistry between Picard and Vash was terrific, and I enjoyed her as a character. But I can't see her as his mate. She was too wild and unscrupulous. In fact, I can't really picture her making a long-term commitment to anyone. Though I did love her going off w/ Q. Now that's a great pair!
 
Hasn't anyone considered the fact that all of her compatibility with Picard was completely manufactured? I mean, she wasn't naturally suited to him at all. She basically just read his mind and said and did everything his ideal woman would. I don't consider that the sign that she was his soulmate. She would have done the exact same thing with any other crewmember if she'd had to spend as much time with him as she had with Picard.

She really wan't much more than a fantasy woman, as opposed to someone whose own distinct personality meshed well with Picard's. Having said that, I did enjoy the episode and find it very moving and poignant. I just think if you apply logic to it, no matter how bad the episode makes you wish she and Picard could have stayed together, what they had wasn't necessarily "real".
 
Too Much Fun- I think that's fair until the end of the episode when she says she has already imprinted on him. Once Kamala imprinted, she had chosen to be that way forever. It's a huge compliment to Picard that the fantasy she was around him was the version of herself she wanted to be. (We knew he was fabulous though.)
 
[Kamala] really wan't much more than a fantasy woman, as opposed to someone whose own distinct personality meshed well with Picard's. Having said that, I did enjoy the episode and find it very moving and poignant. I just think if you apply logic to it, no matter how bad the episode makes you wish she and Picard could have stayed together, what they had wasn't necessarily "real".
My thoughts exactly. :)

It was an artificial relationship, without any of the drama and compromises of a genuine one developing.
 
By the way - "Kamala" is a Finnish word (as well), meaning "horrible" or "ghastly". :lol:
 
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I guess that explains the pro wrestler named Kamala - he was a stereotype of a savage tribesman, who wore a skirt and freaky paint all over his face and upper body. :lol:
 
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