Picards family dying in Generations

[NBG011]

The idea behind it was good but the execution wasn't. They wanted to illustrate how two men react to enormous personal loss in a different manner and how it ultimately brings them to conflict. It ended up being lame, though. Generations is my least favourite Star Trek film.

 

[Start Wreck]

and did Geordi ever discover that it was all down to him? Probably would've made him feel a little guilty...

Maybe that's why he ditched the visor.

 

[Samurai8472]

Stewart acted it beautifully, I must say.

According to IMDB, Patrick Stewart was aided in his portrayal of Picard's grief by the script for Jeffrey, which he was reading on set. That's what made cry so realistically.

 

[Doug Otte]

I don't know if there's a point, but it works to emphasize the "generations" theme of the movie.

Generations of Enterprise (sailing ship and -B and -D)
Generations of Sulu (Hikaru and Demora)
Generations of Picard (past, present...and no future Picards)
Generations of Starfleet (Kirk and Harriman and Picard)
and so on.

If nothing else, the theme of the movie is prevalent everywhere.
Notions of continuity, past...present...future...in many ways, many examples.

Indeed, and that theme is so obvious. Based upon the OP and others on this thread, as well as other threads I've read here and elsewhere, I'm assuming that nobody takes literature classes anymore. Oh, I forgot...nobody reads, so no classes, no education in the concepts of themes, symbolism, etc.

Doug

 

[ALF]

I love Generations, but I do find that sticks to the roof of my mouth, too.
Writer's excuse to get Picard to cry.

Plus, it brings weight to Soran's line: "Time is the fire in which we burn, captain. We leave so many things unfinished in our lives..."

 

[john titor]

And my sig is a statement of fact so it matters not whether people agree with me, I know I'm always right.

How to win friends and influence people...

As for "all the Trek I love is the best and was created for noble reasons, while all the stuff I hate was just a combination of those scummy capitalist execs and bad writers wanting to milk the series"... I can't even be bothered to point out what's wrong with such a viewpoint. It makes you look laughable, which I hope was your point.

Weren't you the fool making all the "Is XX character gay?" threads not so long ago?

Of course, part of me is desperately hoping you're taking these extreme intelligent-deficient POVs in order to get people riled up, and it's all a clever ironic approach you're going for.

Nobody could be like this for real, right?

Right...?

As for the subject at hand, I think they included their deaths not just to show the temptation of the Nexus, but also for the contrasting characterisations of Picard and Soran ("Time is the fire in which we burn...") and also so Picard's heart-warming "time is a companion" speech at the end has more resonance.

I wish they hadn't done it, but it doesn't "RUIN TREKZ FOREVA!!!!" for me either.

I haven't seen this film in years. My biggest issue with it was how casually the Ent-D was "killed off" and replaced for "First Contact". It's the Enterprise for goodness sake - you give it an heroic send-off. See "Star Trek III"? GOOD heroic sacrifice of the ship., See "Gen"? LAME send-off...

and did Geordi ever discover that it was all down to him? Probably would've made him feel a little guilty...

your rage stems from the fact that you know how wrong you are compared to how right I am. If you were enlightened you wouldn't resort to petty swipes.

 

[ClayHefner]

Sorry I need to post this now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOQL3fbRCmE

 

[john titor]

Rambo is a manly man

 

[Trekker4747]

Complete bullshit and unnecessary.

 

[Amaris]

I don't know if there's a point, but it works to emphasize the "generations" theme of the movie.

Generations of Enterprise (sailing ship and -B and -D)
Generations of Sulu (Hikaru and Demora)
Generations of Picard (past, present...and no future Picards)
Generations of Starfleet (Kirk and Harriman and Picard)
and so on.

If nothing else, the theme of the movie is prevalent everywhere.
Notions of continuity, past...present...future...in many ways, many examples.

Indeed, and that theme is so obvious. Based upon the OP and others on this thread, as well as other threads I've read here and elsewhere, I'm assuming that nobody takes literature classes anymore. Oh, I forgot...nobody reads, so no classes, no education in the concepts of themes, symbolism, etc.

Doug

Avid reader here, major Trek fan, and I think Picard's family being killed was nothing more than a cheap shot to elicit a reaction and to make a paper thin plot point move forward. It has nothing to do with my ability to read and appreciate literature. Generations is not The Illiad and never will be. Yes, the theme is obvious. It is ham handed in every way. I doubt anyone missed the theme, and it requires little brain power to process said theme. There is no subtlety and no nuance. It pretty much hits you over the head while screaming out "Look! We're moving from one generation to the other! Look at our transitions!". It requires no critical thought.

 

[Dukhat]

Nu Trek is in an alternate universe where cadets get promoted to captains in less than 2 hours, so TNG et al still happened. And my sig is a statement of fact so it matters not whether people agree with me, I know I'm always right.

At first I thought your sig line was just a joke, but I'm getting a very ugly suspicion that that's really how you feel. If that's the case then I'm through trying to argue with you in a civilized, rational manner, because you certainly aren't thinking in a civilized, rational manner.

Dukhat, I hear you, but I find my self agreeing with Axiom and Justkate and Andrew.

This is entertainment, and whatever canon may be, "personal canon" will also be.

Lastly, I doubt you or anyone sees the entire Trek franchise just as canon presents it - or if it's even possible to.

Canon isn't a matter of individual, personal preference. Canon is what's shown on the screen, like it or not. And the producers, writers, and even fans follow it if not to the letter, then as best as they can. Without that kind of structure, then anything we are told is just meaningless and can be contradicted whenever you feel like it. That's not how Star Trek works.

FYI, I didn't like Generations either. Picard's family dying in a fire was just one of many issues I had with the movie. But I can't pretend that it didn't happen just because I didn't like it, as much as I would like to.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

In my sad fanboy way, I was just pissed off that the pictures Picard was blubbing over looked nothing like Robert and Rene as they'd appeared in the series.

I was too!!!!!!!!!!! OMG i love that you said that!!!! (BTW, i love Generations. But the photos really pissed me off!!)

 

[john titor]

Nu Trek is in an alternate universe where cadets get promoted to captains in less than 2 hours, so TNG et al still happened. And my sig is a statement of fact so it matters not whether people agree with me, I know I'm always right.

At first I thought your sig line was just a joke, but I'm getting a very ugly suspicion that that's really how you feel. If that's the case then I'm through trying to argue with you in a civilized, rational manner, because you certainly aren't thinking in a civilized, rational manner.

Dukhat, I hear you, but I find my self agreeing with Axiom and Justkate and Andrew.

This is entertainment, and whatever canon may be, "personal canon" will also be.

Lastly, I doubt you or anyone sees the entire Trek franchise just as canon presents it - or if it's even possible to.

Canon isn't a matter of individual, personal preference. Canon is what's shown on the screen, like it or not. And the producers, writers, and even fans follow it if not to the letter, then as best as they can. Without that kind of structure, then anything we are told is just meaningless and can be contradicted whenever you feel like it. That's not how Star Trek works.

FYI, I didn't like Generations either. Picard's family dying in a fire was just one of many issues I had with the movie. But I can't pretend that it didn't happen just because I didn't like it, as much as I would like to.

Canon should be a constructed thing, not defined by producers who know nothing, but by the fans. As soon as its out there its own by the public. The people can accept or reject whatever they want. Star Trek can work in whatever ways people want it to.

 

[Dukhat]

Canon should be a constructed thing, not defined by producers who know nothing, but by the fans. As soon as its out there its own by the public. The people can accept or reject whatever they want. Star Trek can work in whatever ways people want it to.

Oh, I SO want to reply to this comment. I really, REALLY do. But I'm not going to, per my statement above.

 

[john titor]

Canon should be a constructed thing, not defined by producers who know nothing, but by the fans. As soon as its out there its own by the public. The people can accept or reject whatever they want. Star Trek can work in whatever ways people want it to.

Oh, I SO want to reply to this comment. I really, REALLY do. But I'm not going to, per my statement above.

because you agree with me secretly

 

[Dukhat]

Canon should be a constructed thing, not defined by producers who know nothing, but by the fans. As soon as its out there its own by the public. The people can accept or reject whatever they want. Star Trek can work in whatever ways people want it to.

Oh, I SO want to reply to this comment. I really, REALLY do. But I'm not going to, per my statement above.

because you agree with me secretly

 

[Jim Kirk]

Hello All,

New member. I just was looking for an ACTIVE Trek Fan-Dom Site where I could maybe look for some answers regarding where the franchise is headed? I went to the "Original" Star Trek Website (Pre-Before the latest movie) and it looks as if it hasn't been updated for awhile. I hear Star Trek The Experience is being "Relocated" and that some of the sets are being auctioned off? So how are fans of this new movie, But also Die Hard Fans of all the previous series and movies as well suppose to react? Is new Trek old news? Are they going to embrace the previous incarnations as part of this re-boot? I hope so because if they do not I hate to think that they consider all the previous incarnations as a waste. Just curious. Thanks

Jim Kirk

 

[Dukhat]

Hello All,

New member. I just was looking for an ACTIVE Trek Fan-Dom Site where I could maybe look for some answers regarding where the franchise is headed? I went to the "Original" Star Trek Website (Pre-Before the latest movie) and it looks as if it hasn't been updated for awhile. I hear Star Trek The Experience is being "Relocated" and that some of the sets are being auctioned off? So how are fans of this new movie, But also Die Hard Fans of all the previous series and movies as well suppose to react? Is new Trek old news? Are they going to embrace the previous incarnations as part of this re-boot? I hope so because if they do not I hate to think that they consider all the previous incarnations as a waste. Just curious. Thanks

Jim Kirk

Why did you post this at the end of a thread topic that has nothing to do with what you wrote? Why didn't you just make a new topic?

 

[Yeoman Randi]

^ I suspect it is because Jim Kirk only joined today and is still feeling his way around here. Give the guy a break...

 

[Jim Kirk]

Why would it matter? If you intend on discussing the reason for my post then it shouldn't matter. If you do not wish to then you could very easily just ignore it. May I ask the reason for your apparent irritation with that?