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Picard speaking Klingon

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I’m pretty sure there’s never been a canon explanation for why Picard speaks Klingon fluently and knows so much about Klingon culture. Did he take Klingon as an elective in high school or something? Or maybe he hired a tutor after Worf joined the crew?

What’s your headcanon for it?
 
I guess I never thought about it. ...I feel like we've seen several non-Klingons speak Klingon?
 
It’s not just the language that gets me — Picard actually handled Klingon culture really well, too.

I was especially impressed when Worf asked him to be his new Cha’DIch, and Picard immediately responded with the traditional phrase: "jIlajneS. ghIj qet jaghmeyjaj." It made me wonder—how common is this ritual and response? Like, is this something most people in Starfleet would know, or did Picard have specific training or experience?

I mean, he’s kind of an archaeologist at heart, so maybe that’s part of it. But yeah, it definitely got me curious.
 
It's inescapable. Picard IMHO is easily an all around legit Klingoniphile (Klingophile?) I like to think he recruited Worf for the same reason as some of his others like Data, Sito Jaxa & Ro Laren, in that he might've thought these were all potentially good officers, who might not get an unbiased, fair shake elsewhere.

However, beyond some passing knowledge & general fascination with all alien life & customs, we don't see much of this penchant for Klingon appreciation prior to The Enemy, where he'd specifically failed to get Worf to see reason, and was sorely disappointed about it. He knew Worf to be truly honorable, especially after how The Bonding had just played out, but he just couldn't get thru to him.

I like to imagine Picard began trying to figure THAT guy's cultural ways out a little better after that. He took it as a challenge for HIM to grow, instead of holding it against Worf. It's why his surprising attitude in Ethics works so well. By then, he's maybe the only one who's gotten it, & is even an ally, even if that way is as unthinkable to him as it is to Beverly.

I was always a little bummed we never saw Worf confide in Picard about the Romulan/Klingon prison camp on Carraya IV. I hope he did. If there's one guy aboard to have that conversation with, it's Picard. He actively chooses to be a man who respects people with wildly different values. That's not easy, & boy oh boy, a sizable ration of that sure would be beneficial in the lives of so many, in our world.
 
From Season 2's "A Matter of Honor" ->

PULASKI: What is that?
RIKER: It's a Klingon delicacy. Pipius claw. This is heart of targ. This, of course, is gagh.
PULASKI: Gagh?
RIKER: Yes, serpent worms. Would you like some?
PULASKI: No, thanks. I've never heard of a Klingon starving to death on his own vessels, but you might.
RIKER: Not if I weaken first.
PULASKI: I know all about that. Their beliefs are rather brutal, but usually what kills us kills them.
RIKER: That's certainly good to know. Would you like something to drink?
PULASKI: I'm abstaining in honor of your last hour on board.
RIKER: Your sacrifice will not go unnoticed.
PICARD: Well, I'm familiar with the practice of the feast before the transfer. I've done it dozens of times. However, I usually made more palatable choices.
RIKER: These are the more palatable choices.
(Riker offers Picard a jug of something rather solid-looking with tentacles)
PICARD: Thank you. We know so little about them. There really is so much to learn. This is a great opportunity. I envy you, Mister Riker.
(Another tray of dishes arrives, and Riker tucks in while Picard leans back and Pulaski wrinkles her nose)
 
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It's inescapable. Picard IMHO is easily an all around legit Klingoniphile (Klingophile?) I like to think he recruited Worf for the same reason as some of his others like Data, Sito Jaxa & Ro Laren, in that he might've thought these were all potentially good officers, who might not get an unbiased, fair shake elsewhere.

However, beyond some passing knowledge & general fascination with all alien life & customs, we don't see much of this penchant for Klingon appreciation prior to The Enemy, where he'd specifically failed to get Worf to see reason, and was sorely disappointed about it. He knew Worf to be truly honorable, especially after how The Bonding had just played out, but he just couldn't get thru to him.

I like to imagine Picard began trying to figure THAT guy's cultural ways out a little better after that. He took it as a challenge for HIM to grow, instead of holding it against Worf. It's why his surprising attitude in Ethics works so well. By then, he's maybe the only one who's gotten it, & is even an ally, even if that way is as unthinkable to him as it is to Beverly.

I was always a little bummed we never saw Worf confide in Picard about the Romulan/Klingon prison camp on Carraya IV. I hope he did. If there's one guy aboard to have that conversation with, it's Picard. He actively chooses to be a man who respects people with wildly different values. That's not easy, & boy oh boy, a sizable ration of that sure would be beneficial in the lives of so many, in our world.
I actually don't find Picard's attitude and backing of Worf in "Ethics" surprising at all.

If there is one thing Picard is a champion of, it's defending the right of personal choice. His not ordering Worf to give blood in "The Enemy" is one clear example of this. Picard sees Worf wanting to commit ritual suicide as another example of his right to personal choice, something Crusher COMPLETELY ignores. (That episode REALLY illustrates all the reasons why Crusher is my least liked CMO in the franchise.) He may not agree with Worf's decision, but he respects that it is HIS decision to make, not Crusher's, Picard's, or anyone else's.
 
Beverly wears her heart on her sleeve, however. Her compassion was proven to be a net positive in "I, Borg"; a particular drone only survived because her protestation convinced Picard to give it a chance. Besides which, had Worf forced the issue and asked to be transferred elsewhere in order to complete the ritual, I doubt she would have obstructed his departure from The Enterprise.
 
It's true that her actions and efforts in "I Borg" helped Hugh to stay alive, but I think Picard was in the wrong for not even attempting to take advantage of the weapon program. Admiral Necheyev was right: his duty was to safeguard the lives of Federation citizens, not wrestle with his conscience. By not even trying to rid the Federation (and really, the galaxy) of the threat of the Borg, Picard was at least partially responsible for all the lives after that episode were killed or assimilated.

(Good episode, story, and dilemma. I simply don't agree with his decision.)
 
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Beverly wears her heart on her sleeve, however. Her compassion was proven to be a net positive in "I, Borg"; a particular drone only survived because her protestation convinced Picard to give it a chance.
Honestly, Beverly, in I Borg, is my absolute low point for her. Hippocratic compassion is no excuse for the fact that her tampering in that crash scene (against direct orders not to) put not only her away team at risk, but potentially her whole ship, maybe the fleet, & even possibly the fate of every race in the UFP.

To her, it's a sick person, but in truth it is a timebomb. Is what she did the doctorly thing to do? Possibly. Is it the best course of action morally for an officer with countless lives hanging in the balance? I don't think so. She isn't only bound by the oath of a doctor, but the oath to serve Starfleet, & times like that it is the greater duty IMHO. She's a Starfleet doctor. That distinction matters
I actually don't find Picard's attitude and backing of Worf in "Ethics" surprising at all.
I didn't mean to suggest it was out of character for him. All of what you added about him (and Crusher imho) is true. It is however a surprising aspect to the episode though, that anyone there would in any way be ok with his suicide, when we see Troi object, Riker recoil, & Beverly virtually betray her oath to respect patients' wishes.

Picard's words do come as a shock, after that, but I love that, because it informs of a man who HAS got respect for people's unique values about their lives. It's a respect I like to think has even been shown to grow with Worf particularly, during the show.

He is shown to be quite wounded about Worf's refusal in The Enemy. He outright begged the man. I don't think we ever saw that any other time. His refusal to order it (which Worf was expecting) wasn't so much about respecting Worf's decision, but about his own code for himself, that it's just ugly to have to order someone to make what we think are righteous choices. It's not his place to choose how Worf moves though his own life. He was even willing to risk a lot there by not ordering it, to stick to that principle.

However, soon after, we see Picard truly begin accepting the way that Klingons operate (whether he agrees or not) I think he had to do some hard soul searching to get there & understand a man who'd not care about the repercussions of refusing to help that Romulan.

That Picard is the one voice that gets Worf, in Ethics, speaks to that understanding, that he's worked on, which maybe the others haven't so much. He's stood by the guy, in rooms full of Klingons. He's had to issue him a reprimand for acting as one, during Duras' killing. He's had to decide if he was worthy of reinstatement after abandoning Starfleet to fight in a civil war. All this has built a foundation of understanding, that distances him from that wounded captain who couldn't convince him to save the Romulan.
 
I forgot to mention...

Regarding Worf not confiding in Picard about the Romulan camp at the end of "Birthright, Part II", I think Picard knew there was more going on but trusted Worf enough to not ask about it. Worf gave him all the answers he needed at the end... the expression on Picard's face and how he said he understood seems to indicate a quiet understanding that it was something best left unsaid to anyone.
 
Honestly, Beverly, in I Borg, is my absolute low point for her. Hippocratic compassion is no excuse for the fact that her tampering in that crash scene (against direct orders not to) put not only her away team at risk, but potentially her whole ship, maybe the fleet, & even possibly the fate of every race in the UFP.

To her, it's a sick person, but in truth it is a timebomb. Is what she did the doctorly thing to do? Possibly. Is it the best course of action morally for an officer with countless lives hanging in the balance? I don't think so. She isn't only bound by the oath of a doctor, but the oath to serve Starfleet, & times like that it is the greater duty IMHO. She's a Starfleet doctor. That distinction matters

Bizarre. It has been so bizarre seeing the Star Trek fan base become more generally hardline...more militant (cue Earl Boen delivery)...in these recent years.
 
I forgot to mention...

Regarding Worf not confiding in Picard about the Romulan camp at the end of "Birthright, Part II", I think Picard knew there was more going on but trusted Worf enough to not ask about it. Worf gave him all the answers he needed at the end... the expression on Picard's face and how he said he understood seems to indicate a quiet understanding that it was something best left unsaid to anyone.
That's certainly true. I wasn't saying Worf should've given more of an official explanation. Much like Riker & Data at the end of The Most Toys, it's really none of Starfleet's business.

What I meant was it was a pretty significant ordeal for Worf personally, & given the understanding Picard has come to have with him, it'd be a shame if he couldn't confide in him personally, off the record, about whether he'd done the right thing.

That whole situation is something of a gray area, & in some ways, Worf maybe made it worse than it had to be. He kind of used those people's own children against but them, to get free
Bizarre. It has been so bizarre seeing the Star Trek fan base become more generally hardline...more militant (cue Earl Boen delivery)...in these recent years.
One needn't be militant to have an appreciation for the greater good. At no point does she stop & think "Is what I'm about to do going to potentially get a LOT of our people killed?" And if preservation of lives is a priority to her, you'd think it would, for the sake of the largest amount of them.

This isn't any normal fallen enemy combatant. It's essentially booby trapped, to cause more harm if you interfere with it, because it's relaying info on you at all times. If I'd been Picard & she'd ignored the order to stand away, I'd have ordered Riker & Worf to drag her away. This was the one rare instance where I was actually ok with Worf's recommendation, as brutal as it came off.
 
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Honest Trailers: "Watch Patrick Stewart remain fully committed to his dialogue even when the writers have fallen asleep at their keyboards"; *cue montage of Picard speaking Klingon, Jaradan etc.*
 
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