Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by F. King Daniel, Jan 8, 2019.
I think Picard is going to be an Ambassador, or retired ambassador.
I think one way or the other he'll be called back into service. But Dukhat's unnecessary condescension aside, I do think it's a distinct possibility we'll find him retired tending to a vinyard just like in AGT, given these recent comments about him being out of starfleet life.
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I'm late to this thread, but I want to chime in on the "destruction" of the Romulan Empire. It's "two-dimensional thinking" that simply losing the capital world of an intergalactic power would mean that power is destroyed. Consider the protocols in place in the U.S. if the president and the other top leadership is lost. I just don't accept that the loss of the capital planet and homeworld means too much (in some respects) to an ancient race that's been capable of space travel (and FTL travel) for centuries. That's not to say there's no story in seeing how the destruction of Romulus itself was handled, but all this talk of "the Romulan Empire is in ruins" and "_____ and ______ divvy up the remnants of the Empire" is small thinking, IMO.
...what we're saying is that the idea that of the RSE falling is based on what Kurtzman is saying. I was also hoping that the Empire remained. It's not "small thinking" in that case.
Somehow i think that the destruction of Romulus will be a much more important aspect of the show than most people think. It is possible that the supernova was actually triggered by members of the Federation in order to protect earth from Romulus after the events of Nemesis.
I dont think that Picard actively participated in the destruction of Romulus but maybe some of his close colleagues were. And when he found out that the Federation was responsible for the death of billions of Romulans he had to quit Starfleet.
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The empire appeared to be very centralized
Kutzman's exact word was "dissolution", and The Picard Show is set 12 years after the disaster. Much has probably happened in the interim.
Then again, Nimoy Spock did call Nero "the last of the Romulan Empire" in ST'09, and that would have been hours or at most days after Romulus was destroyed.
Except a society does not lose its seat of power and comes out the other side no worse for wear. Most of the government was wiped out and Romulan society has been suffering from divisions for decades, there was a peace movement that wanted to unite with Vulcan and the Romulan military has its own plans, including launching a coup against the Senate in Nemesis. With the government wiped out, these tensions would get worse, not better, nothing would hold the doves and the hawks back. The Romulan Empire would still be around, but I think this disaster would deepen problems that already existed.
I would like to think Romulus's destruction didn't immediately lead to the collapse of the empire (as previously mentioned, rather 2-dimensional). Rather, it could be explored as having been the catalyst for the eventual downfall of the empire.
So, the question is not about that Romulan as a species is extinct. But more of how many are they live after the destruction of their home planet. Yes, they may have ten or more colonies. But Romulan don't breed like rabbit. So I can estimate that a colony would have around thousands or more citizens. The biggest will hundred thousand or millions. It won't be more than a hundred millions. With that number, Romulan is practically lost everything that they're previously have. Economy, Industry, Military, and the most importantly, number.
Plus, based on what we saw in Nemesis, Romulan is not a single Entity Empire. There are more than Romulan out there. Remus? And others too. And because Romulan is a kind of bad guy in Star Trek, we can simply guess that those secondary citizens are not treated well by their master. So when their masters lose their grip, These servants will use this opportunity to separate themselves from the Empire. Thus, RSE is balkanized and those slave planets become new power that reside inside the previously RSE territory.
Can Romulan prevent the separation? Impossible. Economy and Industry are two ability that hard to achieve.Those colonies won't have the same level of economy, industry, technology, and even military might that their home planet had.
With the lost of their home planet, basically Romulan has lose many things. And it will require a lot of time to recover themselves. maybe decades, maybe centuries.
Star Trek has always shown colony planets as being weirdly underpopulated. Basically, when we consider colony size, we have three things we need to consider:
1. The birthrate
2. The migration rate
3. The length of time a colony is established.
So, for example, consider that an initial colony is founded with a population of 500. Every year there is 1% population growth due to births. The second year, 250 more people migrate. Every year the amount of migrants moving to the planet increases by 3% - not impossible, considering infrastructure would improve over time, and the capacity of the homeworld to send more people would also increase. 200 years later, the global population is just under 4.4 million, and the home planet is sending about 87,000 people per year (about 238 per day).
In general, this makes Federation colonies being in the hundreds of millions almost impossible. However, the Romulans have had interstellar travel to some extent for 2,000 years by the time of TNG, given their emigration from Vulcan in around the 4th century CE. Due to how compounded population growth works, that same population model outlined above would reach 7 billion by 450 years after founding. So provided the Romulans began expanding outside of their home system well before contact with the Federation in the 22nd century, there is time for some quite well developed colonies.
I would think large elements of it ceded or were in open rebellion pretty quick. If I was part of the resistance on a planet held by the RSE, I would not hang about for them to get organised. Similarly, I would think various rivals would have quickly moved to take territory.
Let's think about what happens if the home-world is destroyed. You lose most of the civilian government and most of the highest ranking military members. Anyone from the Empire level of government who was off world has authority on paper, but no actual power to back it up. Everyone that's left with actual strength are of 2nd level authority, because they were in charge of Individual fleets or are the local planetary governor. So several of them are going to be jockeying for the top spot in the intimidate aftermath. That clearly leads to intimidate civil war, or best case scenario, a fracturing of the Empire into several smaller entities.
Yes, probably. However, there is a question of what the state of the Romulan government was post-Shinzon as well.
That makes sense, but again I think the real issue is that the destruction of the Romulan government would deepen the divisions that already existed in the Empire for decades, with the hawk and dove factions fighting with each other after the seat of government is destroyed. I think of the military would have survived to make the Romulans still dangerous and this time there is no Senate to hold the military in check. They may not be as powerful as before, but desperation would make them less cautious and more ruthless and even if the hawks would not have the power to conquer the Federation, they would still be a problem. I think this series should be very Romulan centric, they are least developed alien society in Star Trek and are not overexposed like the Klingons are.
Well, frankly there are a ton of threads regarding the Romulan Empire relations with the Federation from the TNG era that was never resolved. We had a peace movement on Romulus led by Spock that wanted to unite with Vulcan, we had Sisko and Garak tricking the Romulans into a war with the Dominion, we had the Romulan military back coup against the Senate in Nemesis and approve a strike against the Federation, only to get cold feet at the last minute and help Picard against Shinzon and then Romulus was destroyed.
I would weave all this stuff together to make an interesting series that wraps some of this stuff and progresses the Romulan Federation plot forwards, rather just standing still.
Indeed. The dramatic potential with the Romulans is rather large.
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