Picard or Destiny?
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You seem to be assuming they would have filmed the novels as they are, which almost certainly would not have been the case. Like I said above, there would have been some very distinct differences. In fact, it's very possible none of the Litverse original characters would have been included in, or even many of the characters who were brought back from the shows likely would not have been there. Remember, the goal was to create something accessible to wider audiences. The Destiny novels were constructed as part of an ongoing continuity that had already been developing for several years aimed at an audience who had already been familiar with its setting and the TV shows it was based on. A TV show would have to reintroduce everyone and it would undoubtedly consider it simpler to create new characters rather than go with character from the novels or even bringing back minor characters from the shows. For example, if the Starfleet Chief of Staff were a character in the TV version, they would almost certainly be a new character rather than Akaar, IE, the grown-up version of the baby from TOS Friday's Child. It's just like with Lower Decks, though they did make the Titan Luna class, aside from Riker and Deanna its crew on Lower Decks does not include anyone from the novels at all.
And before you start with "But Picard S3 brought back..." Picard S3 was not aimed at general audiences. It was aimed at Trek fans exclusively, which is why they brought back as many as they did. You'll note S1 of Picard was not as "fanboyish" when it came to bringing back characters from other shows. Aside from a few characters from TNG's main cast, in that season the others they brought back were Seven of Nine, arguably the most well known non-TNG character from 90s Trek. We also had Bruce Maddox and Icheb in relatively minor roles, but everything we needed to know about them in this narrative was established so that new viewers wouldn't be scratching their heads over their significance.
Also, even a one-shot guest character from a TNG episode would be familiar to dozens or hundreds of times as many people as an ongoing character from a novel series.
It would probably have just had the broad strokes the same AND They would have moved the time frame forward 20 years, because Destiny occurs in 2381, a push to 2401 would be necessary to factor in the age of the cast.
Start of the book is a borg attack against the Aventine, Captain and first officer dies, leaving Ezri Dax in charge of the Aventine. This could be skipped and just have the Aventine in the Gamma quadrant, searching the NX Columbia.
So, next would be the Columbia battling the romulans, etc. and finding Erigol and the Caeliar, etc. like in the book.
Riker would still be on the Titan, with grown up kids and Troi
Picard would still be on the Enterprise E, Crew? Beverly could still be CMO, Worf as 1st officer, or maybe Picard is a commodore and Worf is captain, Geordi still chief engineer, captain of engineering?
Seven be an advisor to the president
Maybe Janeway as Chief of starfleet?
You could condense it, Only need 3 bridges the Enterprise E , titan and the Aventine, which like Picard could use the same bridge set with different layout. Shooting on the Volume Holdeck set would be needed which could be used for the NX Bridge and corridors?
It could be done, and not cost "THAT" much, only thing would be paying for all the legacy actors, could be a limiting factor on how many people show up. TNG crew without Data, maybe Data uploaded his memories in to the main computer, and Geordi makes a hologram, or a holo program he can interact with, or maybe an avatar of the main computer? Like Andromeda?
Ezri, maybe Bashir is CMO on the Aventine. Stick OBrian somewhere. Maybe OBrian's kid, Maybe have Paris's kid as an ensign, with Naomi wildman as an assistant to Janeway.
And HONESTLY.. The Borg being Uplifted to join the Caeliar is 1000x better than what happens in Picard where TRILLIONS of borg are just.. left up in the air, or killed, or canibalized.. Bad ending..
Start of the book is a borg attack against the Aventine, Captain and first officer dies, leaving Ezri Dax in charge of the Aventine. This could be skipped and just have the Aventine in the Gamma quadrant, searching the NX Columbia.
So, next would be the Columbia battling the romulans, etc. and finding Erigol and the Caeliar, etc. like in the book.
Riker would still be on the Titan, with grown up kids and Troi
Picard would still be on the Enterprise E, Crew? Beverly could still be CMO, Worf as 1st officer, or maybe Picard is a commodore and Worf is captain, Geordi still chief engineer, captain of engineering?
Seven be an advisor to the president
Maybe Janeway as Chief of starfleet?
You could condense it, Only need 3 bridges the Enterprise E , titan and the Aventine, which like Picard could use the same bridge set with different layout. Shooting on the Volume Holdeck set would be needed which could be used for the NX Bridge and corridors?
It could be done, and not cost "THAT" much, only thing would be paying for all the legacy actors, could be a limiting factor on how many people show up. TNG crew without Data, maybe Data uploaded his memories in to the main computer, and Geordi makes a hologram, or a holo program he can interact with, or maybe an avatar of the main computer? Like Andromeda?
Ezri, maybe Bashir is CMO on the Aventine. Stick OBrian somewhere. Maybe OBrian's kid, Maybe have Paris's kid as an ensign, with Naomi wildman as an assistant to Janeway.
And HONESTLY.. The Borg being Uplifted to join the Caeliar is 1000x better than what happens in Picard where TRILLIONS of borg are just.. left up in the air, or killed, or canibalized.. Bad ending..
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This. I think many fans of the novels assume almost all fans of Star Trek are aware of them and read them. Most Trek fans I've talked to are aware books exist, but when I explain the level of detail that went into most of them look at me as if I'm nuts.
Terrible moderation aside, that certainly correlates with the low level of activity Memory Beta consistently receives.
I kinda just went overboard when I read that Destiny was considered for a TV adaption that I went racing for one of the books like mad. I'm aware TV adaptions tend to cut a lot of things because otherwise it would be expensive as blazers. So I had my mind blown and just rambled on like crazy.
I wonder if the TV series would've confirmed Andorian four genders. They've grown on me.
Probably the closest we'd get is an Andorian with a Litverse style name. Which we've already gotten on Lower Decks anyway, Jennifer Sh'Reyn.
If I recall correctly, it was stated during TNG that Andorians have four genders. It was the LitVerse that fleshed out the details.
Quickly googled it.... In Data's Day, Data comments that Andorians marry in groups of four. It was specified if they had four genders. But the writers of TrekLit went with that to create the concept of four genders. And that is one of many reasons I absolutely loved the old TrekLit universe.
Would have loved to see Captain Hernandez again. Also seeing the slipstream drive on the Aventine would be amazing also.
Canonical at last!
"Therin Park is melting in the dark, all the sweet blue icing... flowing down!"
Therin Park on Andor by Ian McLean, on Flickr
2% of the viewing audience read the novels.
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Shran, Tholos, Tarah, Tallis.
"Two of the sexes, thaan and chan, are approximately masculine, and the other two sexes, zhen and shen, are approximately feminine."
I gave up with memory beta when online took over.
Memory-Beta has the general mess of trying to make concise articles pulled from novels, short stories, comics, FASA, Sourcebooks, games, episodes and films (plus their assorted novelisations). In addition to some fanon that squeezed its way into each article (particularly dates of birth or when episodes occur). Then there's the contradiction in names for characters (particularly first names) or starships. And the contradiction of comics.
Heck, the Federation Presidents timeline is a mix-up of information from assorted sources, be it FASA with inaccurate information courtesy of pretty much everything post-Enterprise or even some novels that have fallen out of continuity before the Coda trilogy came along.
Battle pages for the Dominion War, Fleet groups, starships participating, even quite a few that's missing as well.
It's a real huge mess.
At this point nearly need dedicated wikis with one for Star Trek Online, one for novels, and one for comics. Would be easier to highlight contradictions within novels for example, without having to worry about comic and game contradictions too. But dedicated wikis would need enough contributors to keep them updated which may be a tough ask.
Someone here (I think maybe @JD ?) did start what was intended to be a novelverse-only wiki. I believe it was called Memory Omega? I we haven't really heard much about it lately, so I don't really know how far it got.
@Tuskin38 did make reference in another thread that STO does have its own wiki too, in addition to MB.
Personally, I like having a single wiki that contains information from all the licensed tie-ins, so I wouldn't want to see MB be replaced by these other ones, but if they could co-exist, it would probably be the best of both words. (I do wish, however, that MB did a better job at identifying which pieces of information came from which source.)
There is, though it's both lore and game mechanic focused. It's meant to be a game guide, not just a lore guide.
https://stowiki.net/wiki/Main_Page
There's also one hosted on Fandom, but most of the active editors moved over to the .net one in protest of Fandom's policies.
I didn't start the Wiki you mentioned, Memory Omega, but I was part of the conversation that led to it's creation, and worked on it for a while. But I haven't been to it in ages, so I don't know how far it's come.
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