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Picard: great captain?

It is also possible that USS Stargazer was sent out on some very long deep space exploration missions. USS Olympia was sent out on an eight year deep space mission to the Beta Quadrant in the 2360s. USS Stargazer, with its redundant systems, would probably be ideal for such long missions. So Picard may have been sent out of several seven year missions, or whatever. If they were true deep space missions, his ship would be far out from Federation space for the better part of a decade at a time. We do know that at some point his ship was set to the Cardassian border as a peace envoy and was outclassed. He managed to get invited to the wedding of Sarek's son at some point. He did a bunch of archeology during those years. He was in Paris in the early 2340s at one point.

Picard turned down a promotion to be head of Starfleet Academy during his first year in command of the USS Enterprise. Just prior to the loss of USS Enteprise-D, Captain James T. Kirk suggested to Picard to not let Starfleet promote him, as long as he was a starship captain, he could make a difference. And Captain Kirk, having been an Admiral and hated it, would know. The lose of USS Enterprise does not seem to have grounded him at all, since he takes command of the next USS Enterprise roughly a year later. He also of course had to deal with the court marshal over the loss of USS Stargazer. That could have grounded him for a while, though with the later fate of USS Enterprise taken into account, it is unclear if this is the case. It was roughly eight years between the loss of the Stargazer and gaining command of Enterprise. He may have taken a station job where he encountered some of his future crew, like Yar and LaForge. He also could have gotten himself another ship. He seems fairly attached to his ships (until they get wrecked), so either he didn't get attached to his new command, or the idea of commanding the Enterprise was just that much of a eye opener for him that he jumped at that chance...even though there were children on the ship.
 
Picard's career path seems unusually stunted for someone who is supposed to be one of Starfleet's greatest leaders. He was given command of the Stargazer in 2333 and remained there for 22 years. Nine years later, he's given command of the Enterprise-D. Almost a decade later, he's still the captain of the Enterprise-E.

A few questions come to mind:
  1. When did he actually get promoted to Captain? It seems doubtful that it was in 2333, lest he be stuck at that rank for over 40 years. It is said that he was promoted at this time, however, becoming one of Starfleet's youngest captains.
  2. Where was he during the nine years between the Stargazer and Ent-D? Memory Alpha is blank on this.
What ship was he on when he killed Beverly's husband?
I think there is a big section missing from his service record.
The military ( I know, Starfleet isn't the military) can do all sorts of miraculous stuff to/for/about people past/present future.
I've seen it first hand.

I think he is a man of mystery.....
 
You have to take into account the notion that maybe Picard didn't want to be an admiral. He was an adventurer and explorer and wanted to be out in space doing what he loved rather than sitting at a desk telling people to do what he wanted to be doing.

Part of me wants to say how ridiculous it is to have people always turning down promotions in Starfleet - but then another part of me thought: maybe that's the real reason why Starfleet admirals are always so damned insane and/or pathetic. Every good officer wants to stay in the captain's chair and Starfleet is constantly scraping the bottoom of the barrell for their admiralty positions...
 
Or power corrupts, and idealism is often lost with age and experience. Admiral Janeway says "I've become a pragmatist in my old age."

They're not all bad, Admiral Nechayev for example. Even though her appearances are often there as an antagonist, she's a smart lady. Admiral Quinn was a decent fellow so long as he wasn't being controlled by any body snatchers.

A lot of Admirals and Commodores aren't evil, they're just jerks. To which they might respond "I'm not paid the big bucks to be your friend."

A great many captains have been shown to be just as bad as some admirals.
 
Picard: Great captain, or the greatest captain?

Picard's Stargazer period is very vague. It is strange he remained in the same posts for so many years. It's possible he was offered an admiral's chair, expressed no interest, and Starfleet didn't question because he was just so good at Captaining.

Picard would hate not being out there doing things himself. Maybe Starfleet is less formal than the US Navy in the progression of a career and is happy to just leave people where they want to be and where they've proven they're effective.
 
Part of me wants to say how ridiculous it is to have people always turning down promotions in Starfleet - but then another part of me thought: maybe that's the real reason why Starfleet admirals are always so damned insane and/or pathetic. Every good officer wants to stay in the captain's chair and Starfleet is constantly scraping the bottoom of the barrell for their admiralty positions...

Or maybe the desk job just drives them all insane after awhile, Kirk included. ;)
 
Where was he during the nine years between the Stargazer and Ent-D? Memory Alpha is blank on this.
I like to assume he was waiting for a ship vacancy & filling in at other duties. In The Next Phase, he mentions having met Geordi early in his career when he was only a shuttle pilot, & remarks that he knew he wanted him on his next command. We have to assume this was when he was waiting for one to become available, which would work in the timeline of Geordi being only a junior officer at the time of Farpoint. Their encounter was during an "inspection tour". That sounds to me like they used him for a while as a tune up specialist who inspected starships & their crews

As to him being a great captain? Yeah, all accounts suggest he is considered top shelf, longevity on the Stargazer not withstanding. That he stayed a captain in good standing there for so long doesn't reflect badly on him imho. Quite the contrary. That kind of stability & dependability is probably how he got considered for the new Galaxy class "flagship". Hell, he likely knew he was getting it before it was done, so a lot of that down time between ships he could've just been awaiting its completion

Advancement to admiral is not a given or something to be expected on a timetable. Some of them might not even want it

I also doubt the Stargazer was obscure... small, underpowered & maybe outdated but noted. (see also Picard maneuver) I'm sure Picard distinguished himself there
 
We needed him to continue to be the beast that he is instead of putting him behind a desk and directing traffic. He mauled the dominion and the borg, this after manhandling Klingons, Cardassians and Romulans and a horde of other alien races.

If you arent human Picard was a major menace.
 
Picard liked captaining so he remained captain for decades.

Not everyone wants to be Supreme Fleet Admiral, or whatever.

His evil clone Shinzon did better. He rose up and ruled the entire Romulan Empire for, like, a whole weekend.
 
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Jean-Luc Picard was an outstanding Captain and a credit to STARFLEET!

A natural leader who Men would gladly follow into battle. Now ... I know I'm not supposed to say this, but that's never stopped me from expressing myself, before, but ... he's a far better CO than James T. Kirk was! Yes, Picard idolised Kirk and viewed him as a hero. Note when he first gets a load of Kirk chopping wood in The Nexus. He's all in awe and shit. But Jean-Luc surpassed his hero and became the best Captain in the entire STAR TREK franchise.
I love your style man. And I wholeheartedly agree.
 
I love your style man.
That's something we both have in common.

I would like to add, also, that despite the fact that TNG was as episodic in nature as TOS was, Picard still grew as a character and developed. It wasn't really until the movies that Captain and/or Admiral Kirk really evolved ...
 
David Goodman's "Autobiography of Jean Luc Picard" may shed some light on the missing years and the other unanswered questions.. Sure, it may not be screen-canon, but it could give us some insights that are plausible.
Thanks for noting this. I actually went to high school with David... he was such a major Trekkie back then, so it was no surprise to me when I learned later on he'd become a consulting producer on Enterprise. Had no idea was devoted enough to TNG as to write a book about Captain Jean-Luc Picard. :)
 
I liked the fact that during ST: Generations inspite of his inital dislike for Capt. Kirk he soon warmed to him.

Once Kirk realised the peril of his situation, and both started working together to defeat Soran they displayed good teamwork.

One might suggest in the same timeframe aka another life, the two would actually get on pretty well. Kirk's final scenes proved that.
 
Although Picard and Kirk were two very different style of Captain, both men found the rank their talents most suited them too- Captain. I believe both men are told are various points promotion to admiral is a waste of their talents in what essentially would be a political role. While Picard would be better than this than Kirk, he would much rather stay as Captain than anything else. When you'e got the flagship of the fleet, where else would you rather be?
 
David Goodman's "Autobiography of Jean Luc Picard" may shed some light on the missing years and the other unanswered questions.. Sure, it may not be screen-canon, but it could give us some insights that are plausible.

Unexpected pickup tonight!


Autobiography of Picard, "edited" by David A. Goodman
by Ian McLean, on Flickr

Briefly described contents!
Foreword by Dr Beverly Crusher
Prologue (making of Locutus)
1. (In France with 13-year old brother, Robert)
2. (Starfleet Marathon)
3. (Encounter with the Nausicaan, with Marta and Corey)
4. (Stargazer)
5. (Captain of Stargazer)
6. (Mother dying)
7. (Jack and Bev's wedding)
8. (Stargazer court martial; Data and Phlox)
9. (Farpoint Station)
10. (Best of Both Worlds aftermath; Janeway discusses Shinzon)
11. (Picard weds Bev; Spock discusses Hobus).
 
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