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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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I think that the episode is objectively hard to judge, even harder than Discovery ones. This heavy serialisation means that I am not sure how will events in it look in the context of episodes to follow.

Speaking of context, Remambrance is in clumsy position, becouse it introduces Earth where Romulan refugees live and "Synths" are feared and banned. Problem is, neither seems to connected to Star Trek staples practically ever. I know this is kinda the point and it is trying to be relevant for the current issues of the world, but it seemed disjointed. Partially becouse it had to project a world changed by whole 20 years and partially becouse it´s hard for me to think about the theme of artificial intelligence in a setting where it might have been issue, but comparatively minor one. IMHO, Dr. Jurati sequence kinda suffered becouse of the whole necessary fake science.

That being said, a lot of about Picard seems to work, from the nostalgia done well (I wonder if they ever mention Lal), through the action scenes to the overall intrigue. Looking forward Maps and Legends!

Man vs. AI, though, is a staple of Star Trek, although it did begin to wane in the DS9 through ENT years. Refugee crises, you are right, is not a Trek staple, although fear and prejudice towards the other is most definitely a Trek staple, as the Federation's attitude towards the Romulan crisis echoes what we saw in The Undiscovered Country. So while this variety of serialization is new to Trek the themes aren't. Even Picard's plight isn't exactly untouched in the Franchise, and echoes Kirk from Wrath of Khan.
 
Man vs. AI, though, is a staple of Star Trek, although it did begin to wane in the DS9 through ENT years. Refugee crises, you are right, is not a Trek staple, although fear and prejudice towards the other is most definitely a Trek staple, as the Federation's attitude towards the Romulan crisis echoes what we saw in The Undiscovered Country. So while this variety of serialization is new to Trek the themes aren't. Even Picard's plight isn't exactly untouched in the Franchise, and echoes Kirk from Wrath of Khan.

OK, although some artificial inteligence was previously well employed and I was never under the impression that such wide stigmatisation would be possible... As I suggested, maybe the thing is that world has changed a lot in the meantime and you can see how writers are in some pains to explain it through the exposition.
 
As I said yesterday anything is possible.

I remember reading a book where Data is the commanding officer of one of the later Enterprise ships with the rank of Commodore, possibly the J but I think that was the Shatner books and they are not canon, even so it always felt very appropriate to me.
I think that sounds like the future parts of Peter David's Imzadi, which is set in a future similar to AGT (but written two years before AGT aired) where Deanna is dead and Riker is an embittered old man. It was written before Nemesis so Data is alive and well commanding the Enterprise-F.
 
OK, although some artificial inteligence was previously well employed and I was never under the impression that such wide stigmatisation would be possible... As I suggested, maybe the thing is that world has changed a lot in the meantime and you can see how writers are in some pains to explain it through the exposition.

Well, the writers are in a dilemma of appealing to fans and explaining how things work in Trek to a whole new generation. TOS build the basis of this stigma against AI with Nomad, M5 etc., just as it did the stigma against genetic engineering and augmentation with Khan which is heavily stigmatized across the franchise. Starfleet was very concerned about Data, both as a potential threat or tool taht could be employed, and about him reproducing as well. this was replayed out with holo persons in Voyagers too, so the idea that such a idea of a wide stigmatisation has had the groundwork laid out in the franchise even if how it's laid out in the episode itself might seem a little lacking.
 
I might be overdoing these jokes, but here it goes... It seems to me that Federation starts to agree that organics and synthetics can´t live together. Maybe we need the Reapers to finally sort it out.
 
Alright,

last night I was watching "Remembrance", the very first episode of "Picard" season one. I was very very thrilled right before I started. Quite some time has passed since I was that thrilled because of new Trek and especially when I'm aware of the fact that at least one of my favorite childhood heroes participates. Namely Jean-Luc Picard. :beer:
From the very first scene when the Enterprise-D is flying towards the audience and we zoom into Ten Forward I knew I was in for a fantastic piece of Trek. And I have to admit I really liked the scene. Well acted by both of them.

I thought that Spiner just looked fine as Data. The FC uniform did not bother me. And Ten Forward looked quite representative to the original set although we did not see the bar.

The shot of the Enterprise together with "Blue Skies" was kinda magical. That beauty of a ship never looked better, but "GENS" was very close to it. I love the D in "GENS".

The intensity of Stewart right away from his first appearence was wonderful. I loved every scene with him, because he is such a sensitive and lovely actor who knows how to sell an emotion or feeling to the audience. It was a delight to see him back as Picard on screen.

And I get what the producers meant when they said the show is going to be very lyrical. The pace of it hit the tone of the very best of "TNG", I think. Of course, in today's action scenes are totally different, cut faster and performed more professional. But besides that the pace was absolutely on par with "TNG" and the best episodes of consecutive Trek Episodes from the 90s.

The cinematography as well as the music are none of generic television standards. Star Trek has never been that beautiful and cinematic. The best word to describe it is WOW. Russos score fits to the episode and I loved what he did by spreading nuances of well known motifs to the viewer, e.g. a peace of the Goldsmith theme or the old Romulan theme from "TOS". Brilliant. The theme song will probably grow on me. It was okay. Not bad. Not perfect. The visual style of the intro is nice to look at but in the same vein like the "DSC" intro.

I absolutely loved every scene at Château Picard and everyone and everything that is connected to it.

Seeing Picard walking with a cain and N° 1 through the fields of his vineyard, the more intimate scenes between him and his Romulan friends and how they care about him. So lovely. I really hope they are no more baddies but trustworthy allies of Picards.
And I love his canin N° 1. Beautiful dog.

The scene with the reporter was also very intense and I had a serious sense of compassion for Picard while he was interviewed.

The scenes between Picard and Dahj were also very nice with crisp dialog and intense emotions. I'm really looking forward to how the story will progress and unfold now that she is dead and her twin is working on the Borg cube aka Romulan facility. What are the Romulans plans? We will see. And how will the Borg be connected to the story?

Picards visit at Daystrom was also interesting and we finally got to see it. I truly hope that Jurati is trustworthy. Will we see Maddox at sometimes later? Or is he dead already because of these evil androids? Someone here raised the question if they did make use of Lore's neural network and positronic brain when they created that army of "synths"? Hmm. Interesting.

So to put it in conclusion I say this is one of the very best pilot episodes in the history of Trek. Great exposition so far, wonderful cast, cinematic quality and storywise among Trek's finest. So much better than Discovery up to this point but also very different. I already love it and I can't wait to watch the rest of the season(s). My lady also liked this episode . :biggrin: Make it so!

9,5/10 :beer:
 
I knew it would be inevitable and natural, but I do think people need to remember that it shouldn't be necessary to express how much you love one thing by comparing it to how much you dislike another thing.

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We get it. Well done. Let's talk about Picard, though, right??
 
That’s what the block button is for. You can also mute specific words and hashtags. I also only look at tweets from people I follow, I never go under suggested.

I almost never go on twitter. But i figure its worth it once in a while to remind myself why.
 
OK, although some artificial inteligence was previously well employed and I was never under the impression that such wide stigmatisation would be possible... As I suggested, maybe the thing is that world has changed a lot in the meantime and you can see how writers are in some pains to explain it through the exposition.
Well there is the Borg. Granted, they're really cybernetically enhanced organics, but their mentality and demeanour is closer to machine than person and you can bet they've earned their fair share of enmity.
Add to that some notable historical mishaps like M5, Lore and what went down in DIS season 2, plus the general human prejudice left over from the Eugenics Wars that tends to make them twitchy about any kind of synthetic enhancement to thinking beings beyond what nature bestowed (at least in regards to the thinking part), and I think there's a good basis for such a stringent reaction.
Also, it's not like there's a lot of sentient AI's in Federation society so far as we're aware. Indeed, aside from Data there's pretty much just The Doctor (I've never been convinced that the other copies were sentient and using holograms as miners is just dumb), and I guess the Exocomps, assuming they're still around. It's been made clear that they were never able to replicate Soong's work so all of the others existed in labs, and they apparently went rogue.
 
Was it just me, or did the replicator in the kitchen start making the "Tea, Earl Grey" before Picard finished saying "Decaf"? It should have waited for him to fully complete his specified beverage parameters, and only then began to synthesize the beverage.

Or else, maybe you say "Tea" and it starts building a glass, you continue by saying "Earl Grey" and it begins replicating a decaf tea into the glass, and adds the caffeine at the last moment if you don't say the actual word "Decaf", and then either heats it to a specified temperature "Hot", or to a default one. But that seems stupid to me.
Or somebody preprogrammed the kitchen unit to recognize Jean-Luc's request based on repetition and his voice.
 
I knew it would be inevitable and natural, but I do think people need to remember that it shouldn't be necessary to express how much you love one thing by comparing it to how much you dislike another thing.

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We get it. Well done. Let's talk about Picard, though, right??

I think it is natural to compare them, since they are largely made by the same folks.
 
Or somebody preprogrammed the kitchen unit to recognize Jean-Luc's request based on repetition and his voice.
Yeah. In a world where I can programme Google Home to turn various lights on in particular shades, bump up the heating and start playing a certain album with one voice command, I'm sure a 24th century replicator can handle a drinks order.

Jean-Luc can probably just say 'tea', but he's a creature of habit.
 
I think it is natural to compare them, since they are largely made by the same folks.

True. But a certain quarter wishes to elevate one through the bashing of the other. I think it's far more interesting looking at how the two shows reflect each other. IMO, its about praising the lessons JLP offers while deliberately choosing not to adopt them.
 
True. But a certain quarter wishes to elevate one through the bashing of the other. I think it's far more interesting looking at how the two shows reflect each other. IMO, its about praising the lessons JLP offers while deliberately choosing not to adopt them.

You have two very different series in a much beloved franchise, and you are on a forum explicitly dedicated to discussing what people like and don't like about this franchise, and people here are now starting to point out parts of one of the shows that they think would benefit the other or that they wish the other adopted as well. And that is bad beause…?
 
But a certain quarter wishes to elevate one through the bashing of the other.

To a certain degree, it really isn't fair to compare them yet. As the Picard story could just as easily crash and burn as Discovery's have. But looking at the one vs. one, "Remembrance" vs. "The Vulcan Hello", I think the Picard episode came out of the gate as the more engaging entry.
 
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