Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"
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I thought it was pretty slick.
It's not as adrenaline-pumping as DSC's but it's not supposed to be. The Ressikan flute-sounding strains at the very end helped make it doubly enjoyable.
I put it down to still having a buzz from the excitement, but they seemed to understand how to hit the fan service notes without making you feel like you’re drowning in it. Something Discovery could learn from.
Parts of it reminded me too much of Disco's main theme. I guess Russo doesn't have much range as a Trek composer.
Well, exactly. All it takes is seeing the LCARS panel at the archive, for example. That’s fan service. Having a D7 that looks nothing like a D7 but saying “D7”, isn’t.
I feel like Mars didn't really look very terraformed. After a couple of hundred years I would think it would look a little more blue and green.
Of course, the Moon is supposed to have millions of people living on it, and even a lake, but it always just looks like the plain old Moon when it's shown on screen.
At least in the opening credits of The Expanse, it looks lived in. When we see the nightside, it's all covered in lights and roads.
Trek needs to make the Moon and Mars look on screen how they are described by the Trek characters.
Of course, the Moon is supposed to have millions of people living on it, and even a lake, but it always just looks like the plain old Moon when it's shown on screen.
At least in the opening credits of The Expanse, it looks lived in. When we see the nightside, it's all covered in lights and roads.
Trek needs to make the Moon and Mars look on screen how they are described by the Trek characters.
Russo isn't that impressive but he's good at what he does.
I've finally watched this and I'm happy to say it was worth all the wait, even though it was much, much more understated than what I expected; it felt almost like a cross between a Spielberg historical drama and a Darabont Stephen King-adaptation, taking place in the Star Trek universe. Emotional, intrigueing, exciting, saturated with an all-encompassing feeling of wistful, longing nostalgia. Almost as if something were missing, which proved a perfect backdrop to how Picard feels in his retirement. He's not at home in Burgundy at all, and it shows.
Seriously, at first I was afraid that I'll be watching Sir Patrick be, well, Sir Patrick with all his grumpiness and snark, and then the interview happened, he raised his voice and he instantly sublimed into Captain Picard all over again. The passion, the strength, the moral high ground, it was all there and I almost cried, which was a relief after watching the intro with Old!JLP being basically indistinguishable from PatStew. But the moment he said 'Because it was no longer Starfleet.', he become Jean-Luc Picard for me again. Not to mention when he was asked whether he ever lost faith in Data. There was only one answer he could say, really.
In fact, I almost cried multiple times over the episode. While I've felt absolutely excited with Discovery when it first came out, Picard gave me a feeling of being home. The dream sequences with NEM and TNG Data, the Enterprise-D and the recognizable LCARS (with both Voyager and TNG sound effects!), the Stargazer and Enterprise-E in the archives as well as the old (TNG and movie) and new uniforms, they all radiated a sense of belonging. Picard's dreams were also eerily beautiful, projecting an aura of familiarity while remaining just a lil' bit creepy, and they kinda-sorta felt like Data's dreams from TNG, the only thing missing was the fish-eye lens from the camera.
And the interview was beautiful. That Dunkerque analogy, and how he insisted it wasn't about 'Romulan' lives but simply lives, it pulled me right in. It felt like a typical news TV interview with an antagonistic reporter where I'd end up siding with the interviewee. The parallels between our current political situation and the 24th century were showcased beautifully without being too heavy-handed in my opinion.
I was really intrigued by the plot's apparent connection to Dr. Soong's work and specifically Data, and I was glad how readily Picard accepted Dahj's being a progeny of Data. He definitely remembered Lal and Dr. Tainer. I've found Dahj really sympathetic despite not learning much about her; she was just a normal twenty-something way in over her head, and afraid, so very afraid. I was surprised that she died and only time will tell how I'll feel about her having a twin. Seeing something posing as her mom (considering that her mom knew about Picard despite her not speaking to her for days) and imploring her to seek Picard's assistance also piqued my interest immediately... could it be something similar to Book!Control, by any chance? If not, what was it? And last but not least, what was it about Data's essence being 'stored' in all his descendants? I'm intrigued, very intrigued. Me likey. Do want.
Random observations:
Seriously, at first I was afraid that I'll be watching Sir Patrick be, well, Sir Patrick with all his grumpiness and snark, and then the interview happened, he raised his voice and he instantly sublimed into Captain Picard all over again. The passion, the strength, the moral high ground, it was all there and I almost cried, which was a relief after watching the intro with Old!JLP being basically indistinguishable from PatStew. But the moment he said 'Because it was no longer Starfleet.', he become Jean-Luc Picard for me again. Not to mention when he was asked whether he ever lost faith in Data. There was only one answer he could say, really.
In fact, I almost cried multiple times over the episode. While I've felt absolutely excited with Discovery when it first came out, Picard gave me a feeling of being home. The dream sequences with NEM and TNG Data, the Enterprise-D and the recognizable LCARS (with both Voyager and TNG sound effects!), the Stargazer and Enterprise-E in the archives as well as the old (TNG and movie) and new uniforms, they all radiated a sense of belonging. Picard's dreams were also eerily beautiful, projecting an aura of familiarity while remaining just a lil' bit creepy, and they kinda-sorta felt like Data's dreams from TNG, the only thing missing was the fish-eye lens from the camera.
And the interview was beautiful. That Dunkerque analogy, and how he insisted it wasn't about 'Romulan' lives but simply lives, it pulled me right in. It felt like a typical news TV interview with an antagonistic reporter where I'd end up siding with the interviewee. The parallels between our current political situation and the 24th century were showcased beautifully without being too heavy-handed in my opinion.
I was really intrigued by the plot's apparent connection to Dr. Soong's work and specifically Data, and I was glad how readily Picard accepted Dahj's being a progeny of Data. He definitely remembered Lal and Dr. Tainer. I've found Dahj really sympathetic despite not learning much about her; she was just a normal twenty-something way in over her head, and afraid, so very afraid. I was surprised that she died and only time will tell how I'll feel about her having a twin. Seeing something posing as her mom (considering that her mom knew about Picard despite her not speaking to her for days) and imploring her to seek Picard's assistance also piqued my interest immediately... could it be something similar to Book!Control, by any chance? If not, what was it? And last but not least, what was it about Data's essence being 'stored' in all his descendants? I'm intrigued, very intrigued. Me likey. Do want.
Random observations:
- Poor Picard has to order Tea, Earl Grey, decaf. Being old sucks.
- De Niro the Pitbull is awfully cute! I had to rewind the episode just so that I could watch his mouth flap in the wind as he was running, OMG.
- I loved the news report using random TNG and movie screencaps, like If Memory Serves. Just to drive home the fact that while DSC- and TNG-era productions might look different, they still depict the same things.
- Speaking of the news report, the QWERTY keyboard the typist was using was also neat, not to mention the civilian clothes being similar to 21st century norms - I still think it's better to project an air of familiarity rather than invent ridiculous future fashions out of the whole cloth just for the hell of it (I'm looking at ya, 24th century jumpsuits).
- Not to mention finally seeing some of the end products of Federation news media. I've been intrigued by future TV since Babylon 5's ISN and their occasional episodes framed as in-universe news reports.
- I love how Paris looks wildly different in every single Star Trek production. It's almost like a staple of the franchise now.
- I was glad Picard readily recognized the assailants as Romulan, because their transporters sounded like Romulan ones from TNG, only much, much quicker.
- 'Synths.' I just love that word, being a Fallout fan. Even better, Dahj is basically a Generation 3 Synth from Fallout 4, being indistinguishable from Humans.
- And of course, you can't speak about Soong-type androids without namedropping our friend Bruce. I missed him.
Should've brought back Ron Jones. Get that early TNG feel.
but what he does ain't.... wait, that was Wolverine
@SJGardner To me it felt like a different take on the book, Cold Equations.
They’re trying for it not to have a TNG feel so I don’t think he would be the best choice.
Maybe, but he could still do something different if they wanted. Judging by his music in other TV shows he has more range than Russo at least.
I say get the guy who did the Orville. That’s a good one.
Again, they are not trying to do TNG 2.0
FTFY
Lore has to be mentioned at some point. He's the first example of a rogue Synth (in the Soong model) and ties heavily into the Borg arc of Hugh. His mind may have been "permanently" destroyed, but his body was left in the hands of Data and the Enterprise. Since Data was on good terms with Maddox, it just seems logical that Maddox and the Institute would get Lore's remains (probably Lal's too, now that I think about it).
Lore was a campy character, but in the wake of his own brother's death, and 30 years of character evolution, he doesn't have to be. If Maddox was able to restore Lore's consciousness, that might be enough to get insight and assistance to build a "flesh-and-blood" android. Which, I have to assume is more like a Terminator cyborg than a simple clone with a metal brain.
Or maybe Maddox is dead and Lore pulled a reverse-Graves on him.
Lore was a campy character, but in the wake of his own brother's death, and 30 years of character evolution, he doesn't have to be. If Maddox was able to restore Lore's consciousness, that might be enough to get insight and assistance to build a "flesh-and-blood" android. Which, I have to assume is more like a Terminator cyborg than a simple clone with a metal brain.
Or maybe Maddox is dead and Lore pulled a reverse-Graves on him.
Rob Meyer burnet has a great robservation today that imitates som of my feelings . It wasn’t a train wreck and overall it was ok, but the writing does let it down in a few spots
So, another day ending in Y for Star Trek fandom
I pretty much expect it on the historical precident that every Trek since TOS has been met with indignant nerd rage, including golden childGTNG itself--petitions online are a dime a dozen these days,.but some people supposedly put out a petition to boycott the show in a Variety ad the summer before it's premiere
I personally saw the rabid foaming over Series V as Enterprise was called before it's premiere and heard accusations that we fans were too lienient on the show for...enjoy what we like? Crazy.I'd be more surprised if people weren't bitching, to be honest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯