Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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  1. Midquest

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    Well, I'm suitably impressed. As @Lord Garth says, this is Star Trek as prestige drama.

    That's not to disparage Discovery. They're just so different. Discovery is a wide-eyed, technicolor dash sideways and upside down through outrageous strangeness, joy, and sorrow, and it's a delight. Picard is, so far, a warm but bittersweet exploration of one man's life in his later years, and perhaps his reclamation of himself. It's interesting that Trek's two lead dramas are both built around the character study of a particular person.

    There's an attention to world-building that I really enjoy here, with beautiful establishing shots of the Archives, Okinawa, Paris, Boston, and La Barre. I really appreciate how, during the fight on the rooftop, you can see the futuristic skyline glimpsed far-off. They could have shot that fight so that the skyline was never visible, but it's there, and it grounds the world. This is the most present and real Star Trek as a place has ever felt to me.

    I'm pleased to see Stewart in this role again, and I'm pleased with how he plays Picard. That's not much of a surprise, but I'm also really pleased with what Briones, Pill, and Treadaway bring to their roles. It's easy to care about Briones' character, although I hope they don't make her a magic box of plot-convenient skills. Pill promises to be one of those people who can handle Treknobabble believably, and I like the down-to-earthness she brings to her role. Treadaway is clearly playing the spy, but there's something unsettlingly disarming about his performance that makes him seem like someone I want to trust. That's important if we don't want Soji to seem naive for trusting him.

    I did find some of the exposition about Data and the androids somewhat clunky, but only mildly so. I accept it, especially give the generally crisp dialogue throughout this episode.

    On a lighter note, Data's hairline in the painting scene looks loads better. And before anyone complains, it's blurry because of the lens effect, not the CG, which is to say it should be blurry.
     
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  2. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    I'm not someone who normally minds politics. I don't think they had an agenda with the interview. At the same time, you have a lot of people whose views about the media get reinforced by stuff like this. And right now, lack of faith in the media is a huge problem in the US.
     
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  3. DaveyNY

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    Heh ...
    With absolutely no prior warning from the lead actor in several interviews weeks before the show aired.
    <snicker>
     
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  4. TPezz

    TPezz Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Amazon Prime usually updates at 3am AEST from memory, so roughly another two hours to go (from now)
     
  5. eschaton

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    I understand that it's needed for the plot to work that Dahj and her sister have Data's memories somehow. I just don't think that was the most adroit way to do it. There's a number of different ways you could potentially have gotten this. Maybe somehow there was "residue" left of Data's memories in the holomatrix of the Enterprise? Maybe time travel? I dunno. Frankly I think it would have been better if the mystery of why was left open for the time being.

    I don't hold her accountable. Some actors are better at doing technobabble though, and some are worse.

    It's not like McCoy was spry the last time we saw him.
     
  6. KennyB

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    The attack on Mars does make me worry a bit for LaForge...........
     
  7. Lord Garth

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    The FNN Reporter reminded me of Chris Cuomo on CNN, how he gets right into interviewees faces. If he disagrees with you, and he wants to be confrontational, he'll rip into you whether you're left or right. She wanted to get Picard in there to really grill him about why he left Starfleet to get some soundbite out of him. I like that he saw where the interview was going, got up, and left after he said what he wanted to say about Starfleet not being Starfleet anymore. He didn't leave Starfleet. Starfleet left him.

    Dahj and Sanji's mother must know Bruce Maddox, who probably told her about Picard. That's how I think she'd know to tell Dahj to seek him out.

    There's something else I wanted to say but I don't remember it now. It'll come back to me.
     
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  8. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    Yeah, but there's a huge difference between 137 and Picard's 80, or the mid-60's Riker and Troi are.
     
  9. eschaton

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    Picard is 92, it's Stewart who is 79. Picard has always been 13 years older than Stewart.

    My guess is that Picard will end up progressively less frail as the season goes on. Maybe we'll see him working out to get back into shape (at least as good as Stewart IRL?) Maybe his doctor will give him some treatments to improve his physical condition? We know he fences later in the series.
     
  10. Campe

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    Which does make me wonder if those Romulans aren't keeping an eye on Picard. For... reasons.
     
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  11. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    Was Lore the deactivated android in the labs drawer? Or was it B4?
     
  12. BillJ

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    B-4.
     
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  13. eschaton

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    I think it's pretty clear these Romulans don't mean Picard any harm...at least for now...considering he was unconscious and they could have just executed him right there and they chose not to. Maybe even the baddies still have residual goodwill towards him for what he tried to do for them?
     
  14. mdtauk

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    Best computer display in the whole episode
     
  15. DaveyNY

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    Maddox did have a short time in which to completely scan and take samplse from Data during "The Measure of a Man".

    Doesn't take much of a leap to think he managed to actually achieve his stated goal.
     
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    B4
     
  17. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    Very nice. Thanks for sharing
     
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  18. BillJ

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    I don't know? If they've lost track of Maddox, they may be hoping Picard can lead them to him.
     
  19. sttngfan1701d

    sttngfan1701d Commodore Commodore

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    I didn't have a problem with the media scene, because the media does need to be called out. They lead with their assumptions, are awash with confirmation bias, and don't bother to check before they publish. It's especially egregious because they have more resources now than at any time in the last 300 years....yet they still act irresponsible.

    The reporter woman did what most of them do these days -- the story she wanted was already written in her head, and she pushed Picard to try to go there. I would've reacted similar to him had it been me.
     
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  20. BillJ

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    I did appreciate the more traditional camera work.
     
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