Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Amaris]

Loved it. But, I almost turned it off during the aggressive interviewer exposition scene. Where were her evolved sensibilities then? How did a hack like that even get time with Picard?

Independently, it held up well, but in the wider trek continuity, it jars a bit. Federation resources are effectively infinite. Class M planets are ten a penny. Trek doesn’t feel like the right vehicle to tell stories of prejudice when it’s founding theme was that we were past all that nonsense in the future.

I’m also interested to see where the holographic rights thing went, with the rise of the synthetics. I hated that particular bit of trek, but I don’t want it ignored.

I could pick this apart. Dissect every line and nuance, breaking it down by wonderful homage and canon aberration, and I will because I’m a Trekkie.

Bigotry never truly goes away. It hides in different forms, but it's always here somewhere.

 

[B. L.]

Bigotry never truly goes away. It hides in different forms, but it's always here somewhere.

The Drumhead. One of the best episodes of all TNG and reminds me that we need to be constantly vigilant, and villains don't always have twirly mustaches.

 

[Crewman6]

I wonder if they will ever get into why Picard and Beverly never got married.



Oh, you are right.

 

[Lord Garth]

I honestly wonder if they might kill Picard once they've concluded this show.

Perhaps after a few seasons when Sir Pat is ready to call it quits.

I'm of the opinion that Picard won't survive the series.

 

[DaveyNY]

The general lack of security in Picard's vineyard is even more surprising in light of the prequel comics' revelation that Zhaban and Laris are Tal Shiar agents. Between them and Picard, there should be so much security at the vineyard that Dahj couldn't possibly feel she was endangering them any more than they already were just by their histories.

That's what Number 1 is for.

The Drumhead. One of the best episodes of all TNG and reminds me that we need to be constantly vigilant, and villains don't always have twirly mustaches.

... and don't always realize (or think) that they are the Villains.

 

[Crewman6]

No not at all, just saw it as an option based on what the episode showed us without taking into account anything said outside of it, its still early days of course.

That's fine. And I'm sorry if I played the part of the humorless crank by bringing in "real world" comments to rain on one of your theories.

I think it's part of my knee-jerk dislike to needlessly resurrecting dead characters (which existed even BEFORE a certain nameless movie was released last month.)

But I don't want to get in the way of theorizing and speculation and active fandom. That's where the fun is!

 

[Lord Garth]

Seems like 93% rated the episode good-to-excellent, 6% average, and then you have that stubborn 1%.

Overall, it looks like they delivered a winner!

 

[Longinus]

The general lack of security in Picard's vineyard is even more surprising in light of the prequel comics' revelation that Zhaban and Laris are Tal Shiar agents. Between them and Picard, there should be so much security at the vineyard that Dahj couldn't possibly feel she was endangering them any more than they already were just by their histories.

How is two former secret agents with super strength not proper security?

 

[B. L.]

Seems like 93% rated the episode good-to-excellent, 6% average, and then you have that stubborn 1%.

Overall, it looks like they delivered a winner!

I've got maybe a handful of minor nitpicks, a few complaints that could be explained away in the next two episodes, but mostly i enjoyed it.

It was good. Better than discovery, and in truth better than the other ST series pilots. TNG was amazing in later years but the pilot and most of S1/2 were pretty bad.

So a good start.

 

[jaime]

Worf did show some respect for the Romulans at the end of Nemesis. Is that enough to overcome years of hate and distrust? Probably not but perhaps.

He had the prison camp story where he had to face up to his prejudice too.

 

[B. L.]

The general lack of security in Picard's vineyard is even more surprising in light of the prequel comics' revelation that Zhaban and Laris are Tal Shiar agents. Between them and Picard, there should be so much security at the vineyard that Dahj couldn't possibly feel she was endangering them any more than they already were just by their histories.

But did she know they were super agents?

 

[DaveyNY]

But did she know they were super agents?

One would assume NO.
She just met them, unless she went delving back into the computer archives for some reason.
(which she'd really have no reason to do as it is apparent that Jean-Luc trusts the two of them completely)

 

[jaime]

This thread is a lot of pages, but a question about a scene in the film.

After the rooftop altercation, when Dahj is seemingly killed and Picard is injured/unconscious, why is he simply returned to his sofa?

If Federation authorities witnessed the altercation (even if they couldn't see Dahj or the Romulan agents as explained away by theoretical cloaking devices, there was an explosion either way), wouldn't they have held him for debriefing?

If they didn't witness any of that, and simply believed he fell over from just being an old man, wouldn't they still have kept him in sickbay and waited for him to wake up for a PCP to discuss what happened with him?

Authorities sending him straight home before regaining consciousness makes no sense.

This is why I believe Dahj is not actually dead, and the Romulan agents sent him home and pretended to be Federation authorities when they spoke with Picards servants.

I also question Picard's reaction to Dahj's death. He was "waiting to die" and suddenly now he has a purpose...and she is lost. You would think he would he devastated. But he says one or two lines and doesn't really have much reaction. But at the same time, he's not totally internalizing his grief, but just makes some minor comments. Felt weird.

I don’t think those are Picards servants. In both a literal sense, and the sense I think they have more to do with what is going on. Like you I have...suspicions.

 

[JRoss]

It was pretty decent. The only major issues were the terrible dialog and acting in the interview scene. It was cringey to watch. Dialog overall is a couple shades short of purple,but it's usually not bad. I just really hope that they don't end up with a JJ-style mystery box.

 

[jaime]

I think Dahj gave Picard the necklace specifically for the reason to find her sister.

She didn’t know she had a sister, or it’s meaning. Picard asked to see it. See just knew to give it to him.

 

[DaveyNY]

I don’t think those are Picards servants. In both a literal sense, and the sense I think they have more to do with what is going on. Like you I have...suspicions.

He doesn't treat them like 'servants', they are a part of his extended family now.
They CHOOSE to work for him.

She didn’t know she had a sister, or it’s meaning. Picard asked to see it. See just knew to give it to him.

My bad, I should have said she was apparently 'subconsciously' telling him that.

 

[jaime]

I'm of the opinion that Picard won't survive the series.

They will save De Lancie for that moment. Probably in series 2 or 3, and one more Stewart free series about the impact he had. That’s my instinct.

 

[B. L.]

He doesn't treat them like 'servants', they are a part of his extended family now.
They CHOOSE to work for him.

Right, poor choice of words on my part. They seem like they are more like family than anything else. I just forgot their names so I said "servants"

 

[B. L.]

Also, for being almost 60, Laris looks amazing.

Yes, I went there.

 

[jaime]

He doesn't treat them like 'servants', they are a part of his extended family now.
They CHOOSE to work for him.

Yes. I was disagreeing with the description, but also suggesting they don’t entirely work for him even in their capacity as tenants.