PIC Season 3 compared to other Late Sequels

[Lord Garth]

If PIC Season 3 is really a super-long TNG Movie, then the question must be asked: How do you think it's fared as a Late Sequel, compared to late sequels in other franchises?

I'm going to define a "late sequel" as a sequel that came out 15 years or more after the previous sequel.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

So… Indiana Jones 4 (and soon 5), Bladerunner, Willow on D+ Or… I don’t know… Star Trek: The Next Generation?

 

[Lord Garth]

Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, since it started coming out 32 years after the Original Trilogy ended.

Rocky and Rambo.

The list goes on...

 

[Rahul]

We Trekkies are probably impossible to satisfy, because the TOS movies are likely the first, longest running & best "late sequels" of all big franchise IPs.

Apart from that - PIC Seasons 1&2 are probably the worst kind, like Indiana Jones 4 or the Alien ones, which are not only mind-numbingly bad, but retroactively ruin perfect endings & existing franchise lore that came before.

PIC S3 is... acceptable. It's fluff and has lots of issues. On the other hand, it actually further developed the characters in a way that feels natural and different, but still "true".

Like I will probably never rewatch it, and the dumb changeling/Borg world-ending conspiracy stuff I have already almost forgotten before it even ended.

But Picard & Crusher have a son (& Crusher lots of issues with the rest of the team). Geordie has daughters. Riker & Troi a family, that went through tragedy but found together. Worf became even more awesome. Data & Lore have finally reconnected. These are all events that "have happened", and are accepted, and now belong to and are part of these characters. So that makes S3 ultimately a "win" in my books. A difficult one. But still.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Blade Runner 2049 is my favourite so far, that was excellent.

 

[Gepard]

Better than the SW sequel trilogy. Nowhere near as good as BR2029 or Mad Max: Fury Road.

 

[Anduinel]

I'd rank it about the same as the Willow series on D+. They're both fun, so long as you don't think about them too hard, but could have stood to have the story tightened up a but. PIC S3 plays it a bit safer, though.

 

[fireproof78]

As it stands it's probably second in my list of later sequels. I don't usually put a lot of stock in to later sequels, as I by and large treat them as separate entities from the original. But, at this point with one episode left I would put the SW Sequel Trilogy and then this Season.

Could change though.

 

[God's Starship]

If PIC Season 3 is really a super-long TNG Movie, then the question must be asked: How do you think it's fared as a Late Sequel, compared to late sequels in other franchises?

I'm going to define a "late sequel" as a sequel that came out 15 years or more after the previous sequel.

Not on par with a Twin Peaks: The Return or Top Gun Maverick or Mad Max Fury Road or a Creed (the peak examples of legacy sequels). But it's certainly up there! If they stick the landing, I could see this being my fav TNG "film" for sure.

 

[SithHappens]

Superman Returns was a great late sequel

 

[hellojane]

But Picard & Crusher have a son (& Crusher lots of issues with the rest of the team). Geordie has daughters. Riker & Troi a family, that went through tragedy but found together. Worf became even more awesome. Data & Lore have finally reconnected. These are all events that "have happened", and are accepted, and now belong to and are part of these characters. So that makes S3 ultimately a "win" in my books. A difficult one. But still.

Thank you for saying this because this is how I feel too. I have some complaints and I'm not sure all of this works. I'm not sure the mystery works the longer it dragged on, but barring a complete collapse next week, I'm glad they got another crack at a farewell and that the last we see them all together isn't Nemesis.

I'll also always appreciate that everyone in a somewhat happy state and with a family or a future and that it looks like it'll hopefully stay that way. Riker and Troi had a good family life before tragedy but they still have Kestra and each other and are going to get back to who they were. Geordi has a happy marriage, two daughters, and a nice life. Data and Lore are finally one. Worf has gotten better with age and seems at peace. Beverly's back with the group. Picard and her have Jack. Maybe Picard and Beverly can start working on repairing things. If that's where we leave all of them when this is over, then it was worth it for me, despite whatever issues I have with some of the stories throughout the seasons.

 

[Rahul]

... but barring a complete collapse next week...

Well shucks.
I just saw "Vox", and the seasons' main plot has done just that - completely pivoted direction, swapped the main enemy, turned the scope & schlock level to 11, and completely collapsed under the scales of it's own weight. Exactly what the last two episodes of season 1 did.
As such, the entirety of PIC falls under the "bad" category for me now, because I usually watch Sci-fi very plot-focused.

The character work though will remain, and yes, that was actually pretty good. And I'm sure they will somehow squeeze an unearned happy end for humanity& Starfleet in there as well, even if it will feel hollow as realistically this is a post-zombie-apocalypse world now. But whatever.

Going forward, I'll ignore the plot of PIC has ever happened. (As DIS future seasons already did). But I will remember the character stuff as kind of fitting and the "canonical" ends for these characters.
Not really a win, but a reaaally mixed bag, which still has some good stuff in there though.

 

[fireproof78]

As DIS future seasons already did

 

[Rahul]

If I had a Nickel every time Starfleet lost all of their starships all at once - I had two Nickels. Which isn't much. But still weird that it happened twice in modern streaming Trek.

 

[Lord Garth]

I liked Matrix 4 better than 2 and 3, but not 1.
I liked Bill & Ted 3 as much as 1 and 2.
I liked Rocky Balboa better than 5, but not 1-4.
I didn't like Blade Runner 2049 as much as the original.

As a non-SW Fan, I didn't like the Sequel Trilogy as much as the Original Trilogy, but I liked it better than the Prequel Trilogy.

Then there's Picard Season 3. Unless the finale spectacularly messes things up for me, at this point it's safe for me to say I like it better than any of the TNG Movies, including First Contact.

I also think, as of 90% through it, PIC Season 3 is my favorite Late Sequel in general.

 

[TerryTrek]

Picard Season 3 is everything the SW Sequel Trilogy should have been.

Faithfully and lovingly raising up the Legacy characters and respecting them, keeping a well-written and consistent narrative, and setting up a new generation of characters that audiences love....and this new generation doesn't diminish the agency of the legacy characters.

I love the choice of 'The Last Generation' being the ones to save the new generation. It's epic!

 

[fireproof78]

Faithfully and lovingly raising up the Legacy characters and respecting them,

Keeping them static, sticking them back in their old positions, pretending like nothing ever changes.

Give me the ST.

 

[TerryTrek]

Keeping them static, sticking them back in their old positions, pretending like nothing ever changes.

Give me the ST.

Yeah I prefer Picard S3's approach a thousand fold.

All the characters evolved in ways that were respectful to their former selves, but also organic to the story.

I especially love what Pic S3 does with Geordi and Data.

 

[fireproof78]

All the characters evolved in ways that were respectful to their former selves, but also organic to the story.

So did the ST. Thanks. Respect sounds like static characters to me in this context.

Glad you find it so amusing...

 

[TerryTrek]

I find it very amusing. And I'm looking forward to seeing the general online consensus this season versus the divisiveness of how Luke, Han and Leia (RIP to them all) were handled in the messy Sequel trilogy and discarded.