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Phased Cloak

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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but TNG's "The Pegasus" was airing last night, and it got me thinking.

There is no Romulan Star Empire by the 32nd century. (It's gone by the end of the 24th, really.)

So why didn't Starfleet have phased cloaks? Or something similar? The Treaty of Algeron would be void since one of the two parties involved in the treaty is dissolved.
 
So why didn't Starfleet have phased cloaks? Or something similar? The Treaty of Algeron would be void since one of the two parties involved in the treaty is dissolved.
The prototype was turned over to the Romulans and destroyed.

Yeah, yeah, nah. Those were outlawed back in 2575 when they found to cause unstable molecules and several dozen starships just disintegrated and the survivors died from the bloody space cancer.
That and people getting phased and slipping through bulkheads. Once you have a death on your tech its no good anymore.
 
The prototype was turned over to the Romulans and destroyed.


That and people getting phased and slipping through bulkheads. Once you have a death on your tech its no good anymore.
It was never stated that the phased cloak prototype was given to the Romulans or destroyed. (Picard simply the Romulan government would be contacted shortly regarding that incident.) Though to prevent an instellar incident, I can see them destroying it. There is no way Starfleet would be stupid enough to give it to the Romulans, even as a peaceful gesture.

You do make a good point about tech related deaths and Starfleet not using it again because of it.
 
It was never stated that the phased cloak prototype was given to the Romulans or destroyed.
Naturally. I probably should have added a winky to imply tongue in cheek and non seriousness, since we likely will never know.

You do make a good point about tech related deaths and Starfleet not using it again because of it.
This is more often than not the case. And we see hazards of the phasing cloak and if people become phased then there can be issues. Same with what happened to the Pegasus. It's not exactly a safety winner here.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but TNG's "The Pegasus" was airing last night, and it got me thinking.

There is no Romulan Star Empire by the 32nd century. (It's gone by the end of the 24th, really.)

So why didn't Starfleet have phased cloaks? Or something similar? The Treaty of Algeron would be void since one of the two parties involved in the treaty is dissolved.
Maybe Section 31 has been using the phased cloak, and you don't know it because you can't detect them. That's how good the phased cloak is.:devil:
 
SF used transphasic torpedoes in at least one of the timelines
Although it could be different across timelines, the Litverse description of transphasic torpedoes doesn't involve phased matter.

From Memory Alpha:
The warhead technology of the torpedoes was also revealed in the novel. It is based on generating a destructive subspace compression pulse. Upon detonation the torpedo delivers the pulse in an asymmetric superposition of multiple phase states. Shields can only block one subcomponent of the pulse. The other subcomponents deliver the majority of the pulse to the target. Every torpedo has a different transphasic configuration, generated randomly by a dissonant feedback effect to prevent the Borg from predicting the configuration of the phase states.
 
Personal cloak suits and a cloaked involuntary personnel transport ship were in INS, though both could've been illegal 31 stuff :D
 
For my part, I always found the idea of the Federation agreeing to a legal ban on cloak development rather silly. Admiral Pressman was wrong to violate the law of the treaty, but there's some truth to his belief that non-development was putting the Federation at a disadvantage, especially militarily. It's even sillier in the context of the Klingon Empire (which uses cloaks on many of its vessels) no longer an enemy, and the Romulans are not going to be able to fight a two-front war against both of them in the event the Empire simply trades cloaks to the Federation. And we've seen holograms being used to hide things in way that, practically, is equivalent to a cloak.

That being said, I do think there are plenty of logical reasons why the Federation would choose not to utilize cloaks as much. The technology clearly has significant drawbacks and risks even after a century or more of being practical, and there are technologies that can penetrate the cloaking field. Using a cloak for stealth is handy when you need it, but you can only attack or defend yourself with weapons by turning it off.

There's also issues with a ship either sustaining damage that affects the stealth, or the design simply having inherent flaws. O'Brien commented that, in its initial configuration, the Defiant's cloak might have gaps because its power signature is very high for a ship of its size. And the first warbird in "Tin Man" sacrificed their engines in the attempt to reach Tin Man first, to the point where it bled through the cloak and they couldn't have gotten home even if they wanted to.

The FASA RPG had the useful suggestion that captured cloaks were generally rare, as the Romulans normally booby trapped them if they felt there was a chance of capture, and they typically weren't compatible with alien systems unless specifically modified (as happened with the cloaks traded to the Klingons). One Starfleet vessel testing a purloined cloak was never able to decloak, effectively disappearing forever.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but TNG's "The Pegasus" was airing last night, and it got me thinking.

There is no Romulan Star Empire by the 32nd century. (It's gone by the end of the 24th, really.)

So why didn't Starfleet have phased cloaks? Or something similar? The Treaty of Algeron would be void since one of the two parties involved in the treaty is dissolved.

Novel I read, no idea which one, explained that it was about ideology not technology.

Of the 2 examples below, which sounds more "Star Fleet"?

1. Under cloak you sneak into orbit of a foreign home world and deep scan all their military bases.

Or...

2. Hello!!!! Hello! Here we are! This is us!!! Do you want to be our friend?

...

The thing about the treaty of Algernon, is that to cement the peace, under pain of Apocalypse the Romulans forced the Federation to quit investing in a type of technology which they had no interest in, which is a bargain at twice the price.

PS

We saw a Romulan Phase Cloak Blow up in TNG The Next Phase, when Ro and Geordi became Ghosts. The technology may be fundamentally flawed. However if invisible Geordi really was the perv we suspect that he might be, it's a testament to his will power that he was not spying on people while they were showering for the bulk of that adventure.
 
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I know the Romulans were testing it, they trapped Lt. Cmdr. La Forge and Ensign Ro out of phase in a transporter "accident."
Yes, and from the same episode:
LAFORGE: It's supposed to change the structure of matter so it can pass through normal matter and energy. Hang on a second. A few years back, we got intelligence reports that the Klingons were working on trying to combine a phase inverter and a cloaking device. In theory, they believed that a phased ship could hide anywhere, even inside a planet, and that conventional weapons would be useless against it.
RO: How far did they get in their research?
LAFORGE: It never got out of the preliminary stages. There were several accidents. The Romulans might be pursuing the same technology, trying to combine an inverter and a cloaking device. And if this is the prototype
 
Yes, and from the same episode:
LAFORGE: It's supposed to change the structure of matter so it can pass through normal matter and energy. Hang on a second. A few years back, we got intelligence reports that the Klingons were working on trying to combine a phase inverter and a cloaking device. In theory, they believed that a phased ship could hide anywhere, even inside a planet, and that conventional weapons would be useless against it.
RO: How far did they get in their research?
LAFORGE: It never got out of the preliminary stages. There were several accidents. The Romulans might be pursuing the same technology, trying to combine an inverter and a cloaking device. And if this is the prototype
And in about a year and a half La Forge will find out the Federation unofficially got a lot further in their research than the Klingons.;)
 
I watched "In Theory" for the first time recently and with all the phasing going on I really wanted to tie that into the "The Next Phase" the following year somehow with headcanon, like that's how the Romulans kickstarted their phase cloak program. But I also like that they're just shit at their own tech and the Feds beat them to the finish line like a decade before. Also, did that Romulan die when he got booted out of the ship? Because if he didn't, what a nightmare.
 
So why didn't Starfleet have phased cloaks? Or something similar? The Treaty of Algeron would be void since one of the two parties involved in the treaty is dissolved.
They did, the Discovery writers just forgot about it along side a bunch of other technologies.

 
They did, the Discovery writers just forgot about it along side a bunch of other technologies.

*Smeagol voice*
Writers! Curse them! We hates them forever!
 
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