Lucas's version was actually a pretty tight, fully-developed two-part script. It was a little light on familiar characterization of the regular cast, perhaps. Generally, of the Phase II (the aborted TV series, not the current effort) scripts that I've read they seem to go one way or the other - "Devil's Due" had some great character stuff but was a bit of a mess storywise whereas "Kitumba" was the opposite.
Phase II: "Kitumba"
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Sorry... as someone who slept with the original scripts for months (not ones printed for the mass market), I have to disagree. Yes, they were well-developed.
As for being "tight" however.... they were labeled "writer's working draft" which - I can tell you as a writer - comes BEFORE a "First Draft". Proof of this are the conversations which are copied, verbatim, in several different places in the script. (Which translates to the writer thinking "should this go here... or here?") New problems were also thrown in out of the blue near the end, as an after thought.
There were no teasers to the scripts, they were - combined - over 12 pages too long for two Star Trek episodes, and they began with a 12 minute conversation in the transporter room.. followed by another 5 minute conversation in the briefing room. While Lucas may be accused of writing "talky" episodes, he never would have submitted these scripts, as they were brainstormed in his "working draft", for production.
I regret he was not around to polish them himself as he would have wanted to.
~Patty
As for being "tight" however.... they were labeled "writer's working draft" which - I can tell you as a writer - comes BEFORE a "First Draft". Proof of this are the conversations which are copied, verbatim, in several different places in the script. (Which translates to the writer thinking "should this go here... or here?") New problems were also thrown in out of the blue near the end, as an after thought.
There were no teasers to the scripts, they were - combined - over 12 pages too long for two Star Trek episodes, and they began with a 12 minute conversation in the transporter room.. followed by another 5 minute conversation in the briefing room. While Lucas may be accused of writing "talky" episodes, he never would have submitted these scripts, as they were brainstormed in his "working draft", for production.
I regret he was not around to polish them himself as he would have wanted to.
~Patty
Which is an observation on process, not the quality of the work. I was responding to your observation that what Lucas produced was "only a brainstorm" and "needed a lot of polishing." Having read the script many times (not "ones printed for the mass market") I simply disagree. Yes, it would have benefitted from some polishing and editing, which would have occurred in the process of revision. What he turned in was pretty meticulously structured, however - nothing "loose" about it.
That's the Piltdown-PAC, Dennis. A clever fraud.Sadly, our friend PAC-MAN is beyond taking offense, having passed on to a better place in 2002.
MS PAC-MAN graciously donated his remains to the Chicago School of Medicine.
I have to agree with Dennis. I read "Kitumba" some years ago and while it was a working draft script to characterize it as a "brainstorm" is insulting to the script he wrote.
I think Dennis is addressing this "as a writer" as well.
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click on "View Now" for where the particular episode is available.
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Well thanx for the link again. The last time it was posted, didn't work one bit at all.
I have a few more screen grabs from "Kitumba."
Bobby Quinn Rice as Ensign Peter Kirk in the Briefing Room:
Brandon Stacey as Mister Spock on the Bridge. (Brandon was Zachary Quinto's stand-in as Mister Spock in the recent Star Trek movie.)
Spock, again, but this time in his dress uniform, in the Transporter Room with our sound man Ralph Miller (I have no idea if his character has a name here), and Paul Sieber as Lt. Commander Prescott--formerly of Starship Farragut.
Kirk (and Chekov, Peter, Uhura) in the Klingon Homeworld in Klingon civilian garb:
Lastly (and I'm sworn to secrecy on the details of this), Kirk has a brief one-line interaction in a Klingon bar with a Klingon identified as Commander Kruge:
Bobby Quinn Rice as Ensign Peter Kirk in the Briefing Room:
Brandon Stacey as Mister Spock on the Bridge. (Brandon was Zachary Quinto's stand-in as Mister Spock in the recent Star Trek movie.)
Spock, again, but this time in his dress uniform, in the Transporter Room with our sound man Ralph Miller (I have no idea if his character has a name here), and Paul Sieber as Lt. Commander Prescott--formerly of Starship Farragut.
Kirk (and Chekov, Peter, Uhura) in the Klingon Homeworld in Klingon civilian garb:
Lastly (and I'm sworn to secrecy on the details of this), Kirk has a brief one-line interaction in a Klingon bar with a Klingon identified as Commander Kruge:
The latest word from the data recovery firm now that they've actually laid hands on the failed drive is that they've seen this type of failure before and have had success at 100% recovery. They said we should know the final outcome by the end of next week.
But like I said before: it's all on the P2 cards anyway--so it's just a matter of getting it the "convenient" way (from the failed hard drive) or the "inconvenient" way (from the P2 cards) if that doesn't work.
Lastly (and I'm sworn to secrecy on the details of this), Kirk has a brief one-line interaction in a Klingon bar with a Klingon identified as Commander Kruge:
That's either an astonishing lookalike, or Phase II is continuing to attract the original actors to an astounding degree.
Lastly (and I'm sworn to secrecy on the details of this), Kirk has a brief one-line interaction in a Klingon bar with a Klingon identified as Commander Kruge:
That's either an astonishing lookalike, or Phase II is continuing to attract the original actors to an astounding degree.
Indeed.
Kruge: "Why do I have the feeling you'll be the death of me?"
DS9Sega, do you ever have anything complimentary to say about our productions--I mean, apart from backhanded compliments?
This is great news. Backups notwithstanding, it must put everyone's mind to rest to not have to redo all the data ingest.
As for "Kruge," that is a terrific make-up job. Thank your gods that it is not the real thing, since Nimoy's BTS stories all indicate that Lloyd was very difficult to work with; understanding neither Star Trek nor his character, and generally unable to take direction.
I understand that Cawley's hair is required to stay Elvis-y as part of his professional commitments. So what is Rice's excuse for the "non-reg" hairdo? I can see how producers might decide it's OK to keep it long since they think they're replicating what "might have been" in the late '60s/early '70s. But even given that assumption, a longer look would be trimmed, shaped and blow-dried. For an example, I offer the crewman in The Motion Picture who Spock takes out with his neck pinch. That fellow had long hair (for Starfleet) which was shaped in the perfect 1970s style, as was his mustache. But no shagginess in the back or over the ears. A shame to get the sets and costumes so perfect, but then pull the audience out of the Trek universe because someone couldn't bother to get a haircut.
EDIT: And while I'm nit-picking (because that's all it really is) slip some shoulder pads in Spock's costume. He looks like a weeny with those droopy shoulders. And tug the wrinkles out of the front of his dress uniform so it's not so Exeter-like.
