Peter David's "Vendetta" Would've Made The Perfect two part Borg show

[Knight Templar]

Peter David managed to slam "Vendetta" together and get it published while ST:TNGs 4th season was still underway. That said, it would've made the near perfect followup to "The Best of Both Worlds". You probably would've had to eliminate some stuff to fit it within a two hour (84 minute) two part episode.

Like eliminating the female Borg, downsizing the role of Delcara and Guinan, eliminating the Ferengi and the Tholians from the action but otherwise it would've been great.

1) A reasonably escalation of the Borg threat with five Borg cubes featured (but only three that fight in the final battle).

2) A very strong Picard story.

3) A huge link with the original series.

4) Potential to bring back Lt. Shelby and add an old rival of Picards. I figured Bruce McGill for the role of Captain Korsmo as he was described as "fat".

5) A thrilling build up and great climatic battle. though I probably would've had the Planet Killer destroyed by the final exploding Borg ship rather than the whole "Warp 10 infinite velocity" thing.

 

[davejames]

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Remember loving the book as a kid, but I can't recall very many details about it now.

Although the basic idea of pitting a Doomsday Machine against the Borg DOES still seem like a really cool and inspired idea.

 

[bbailey861]

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I also loved this 'giant' book. Perhaps it would have made a nice trilogy of shows.

 

[sonak]

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fantastic book, but unworkable as an episode. It would need a movie budget.

 

[Knight Templar]

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After looking at some of the ST:TNG Recut stuff on YouTube (though it is often done for laughs) I'm wondering if some version of "Vendetta" could be done already?

 

[anh165]

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Sounds like a 14 year old kid wrote that.

The Borg threat in BOBW was significant and too close to home for Starfleet as it was. Following it up with an episode of more cubes and <insert random enemy from the past> is a bit unoriginal and doesn't really give Star Trek much to grow with.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Like eliminating the female Borg, downsizing the role of Delcara

You want to cut the best bits of the book? They're what, IMO, made it great.

 

[doubleohfive]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

Took the words right out of my mouth. In fact, I think you were nicer than I would have been,

 

[Knight Templar]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

Those criticisms are beyond ridiculous

and I did advocate downplaying one of the elements you find objectionable.

 

[doubleohfive]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

Those criticisms are beyond ridiculous

In your opinion. In my opinion, the book is substandard, certainly for possible adaptation into film, regrettably so compared to what Peter David has demonstrated he is capable of writing, and mostly just fanwanked bullshit.

and I did advocate downplaying one of the elements you find objectionable.

Where? I don't see any mention of anything I criticized in your original post.

Peter David managed to slam "Vendetta" together and get it published while ST:TNGs 4th season was still underway. That said, it would've made the near perfect followup to "The Best of Both Worlds". You probably would've had to eliminate some stuff to fit it within a two hour (84 minute) two part episode.

Like eliminating the female Borg, downsizing the role of Delcara and Guinan, eliminating the Ferengi and the Tholians from the action but otherwise it would've been great.

1) A reasonably escalation of the Borg threat with five Borg cubes featured (but only three that fight in the final battle).

2) A very strong Picard story.

3) A huge link with the original series.

4) Potential to bring back Lt. Shelby and add an old rival of Picards. I figured Bruce McGill for the role of Captain Korsmo as he was described as "fat".

5) A thrilling build up and great climatic battle. though I probably would've had the Planet Killer destroyed by the final exploding Borg ship rather than the whole "Warp 10 infinite velocity" thing.

 

[Knight Templar]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

Those criticisms are beyond ridiculous

In your opinion. In my opinion, the book is substandard, certainly for possible adaptation into film, regrettably so compared to what Peter David has demonstrated he is capable of writing, and mostly just fanwanked bullshit.

and I did advocate downplaying one of the elements you find objectionable.

Where? I don't see any mention of anything I criticized in your original post.

Peter David managed to slam "Vendetta" together and get it published while ST:TNGs 4th season was still underway. That said, it would've made the near perfect followup to "The Best of Both Worlds". You probably would've had to eliminate some stuff to fit it within a two hour (84 minute) two part episode.

Like eliminating the female Borg, downsizing the role of Delcara and Guinan, eliminating the Ferengi and the Tholians from the action but otherwise it would've been great.

1) A reasonably escalation of the Borg threat with five Borg cubes featured (but only three that fight in the final battle).

2) A very strong Picard story.

3) A huge link with the original series.

4) Potential to bring back Lt. Shelby and add an old rival of Picards. I figured Bruce McGill for the role of Captain Korsmo as he was described as "fat".

5) A thrilling build up and great climatic battle. though I probably would've had the Planet Killer destroyed by the final exploding Borg ship rather than the whole "Warp 10 infinite velocity" thing.

I mentioned eliminating the role of the female Borg which in your link I believe your criticized.

I would also eliminate the Ferengi from a film or episode adaptation as well.

And I'm not sure why people go crazy over "Imzadi".

Time travel (AGAIN!!) and descriptions of Riker and Troi's "first time"

Kill me now.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

I'm not sure that I can argue with any of that.

I wanted to. I'd read something, like about Shelby rolling her eyes, and I'd go "But..!" only to then go "Wait, he's right..."

Imzadi would have made a good episode (say, in season six or seven) or a good movie, fifteen years ago, which is about when I adapted it to a screenplay just to try it.

 

[Knight Templar]

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Vendetta is overrated. Here's why.

I'm not sure that I can argue with any of that.

I wanted to. I'd read something, like about Shelby rolling her eyes, and I'd go "But..!" only to then go "Wait, he's right..."

Imzadi would have made a good episode (say, in season six or seven) or a good movie, fifteen years ago, which is about when I adapted it to a screenplay just to try it.

Still not seeing the appeal of Imzadi.

Of course, Troi was my least favorite character and I could not stand her mother either.

I drank a toast when the Dominion conquered Betazed during the war.........

 

[Allyn Gibson]

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Still not seeing the appeal of Imzadi.

Of course, Troi was my least favorite character and I could not stand her mother either.

What I like about Imzadi is the lengths to which Admiral Riker is willing to go to achieve happiness and meaning in his life. For me, what makes the book is not the flashback on Betazed but the conflict in the alternate future between Admiral Riker and Commodore Data.

 

[Knight Templar]

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Still not seeing the appeal of Imzadi.

Of course, Troi was my least favorite character and I could not stand her mother either.

What I like about Imzadi is the lengths to which Admiral Riker is willing to go to achieve happiness and meaning in his life. For me, what makes the book is not the flashback on Betazed but the conflict in the alternate future between Admiral Riker and Commodore Data.

Another thing I hate about the book.

Time travel for something so trivial. Haven't people in the 24th century ever heard about moving on?

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Why move on when you have the power to undo your mistakes? IMO stuff like that is what makes sci-fi great. Otherwise, you've got a book about old fat Riker being depressed on his space station, watching his grandfather clock for hours and eventually phasering his brains out. No thank you.

 

[Forbin]

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I'm not a big Peter David fan, but in do think the "attempted humanizing of a Borg" in the book was WAAAAAAY more believably done than in "I, Borg."

 

[sonak]

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Still not seeing the appeal of Imzadi.

Of course, Troi was my least favorite character and I could not stand her mother either.

What I like about Imzadi is the lengths to which Admiral Riker is willing to go to achieve happiness and meaning in his life. For me, what makes the book is not the flashback on Betazed but the conflict in the alternate future between Admiral Riker and Commodore Data.

Another thing I hate about the book.

Time travel for something so trivial. Haven't people in the 24th century ever heard about moving on?

Why should he? Who defines what's "trivial?" He had the ability to act to make it better and he did.

 

[Ian Keldon]

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Still not seeing the appeal of Imzadi.

Of course, Troi was my least favorite character and I could not stand her mother either.

What I like about Imzadi is the lengths to which Admiral Riker is willing to go to achieve happiness and meaning in his life. For me, what makes the book is not the flashback on Betazed but the conflict in the alternate future between Admiral Riker and Commodore Data.

Another thing I hate about the book.

Time travel for something so trivial. Haven't people in the 24th century ever heard about moving on?

Not to mention that it's illegal under the Temporal Prime Directive.

On the subject of Vendetta...that's the book that caused the big dust up over such things in the approvals office during Richard Arnold's "Reign of Terror".