I'll miss watching him light his cigarettes one-handed.
http://www.sho.com/video/49080/i-know-precisely-where-he-is
Someone online suggested he's a tribute to Inspector Kemp from Young Frankenstein
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I'll miss watching him light his cigarettes one-handed.
http://www.sho.com/video/49080/i-know-precisely-where-he-is
Someone online suggested he's a tribute to Inspector Kemp from Young Frankenstein
Also, Malcolm and Talbot were really quite similar, both noted that last episode and in this one as well. Talbot was even more unrepentant about his past than Malcolm. Malcolm was without doubt Talbot would keep coming and kill everyone in his way to do it. He was just like Malcolm who was prepared to murder the world to get Mina back. Talbot wants Ethan just as much. Noble, well I think that would need Malcolm to be repentant about his past which I don't think he is. He regrets a lot of it, sure, but I don't think he's sorry for any of it. I think it was noble in a righteous anger sort of way. Malcolm knows his type of man and that was old man Talbot.
I'm excited about the setup for the Mummy! More Mr. Lyle! (no doubt next season) All cower before Imhotep!
Imhotep was a commoner, one of only two ever to be deified in either Old or New Kingdom. To this day, no one knows the location of his tomb. Maybe for good reason...He was a physician...maybe he delved too far into the secrets of life and death.
Dam da DAH!
Imhotep was a commoner, one of only two ever to be deified in either Old or New Kingdom. To this day, no one knows the location of his tomb. Maybe for good reason...He was a physician...maybe he delved too far into the secrets of life and death.
Dam da DAH!
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Oh my goodness! The final scene with Dracula was so good! So different! Have I mentioned this show is the best thing ever?
I think Dorian is in some serious trouble for his betrayal of Lily. He may be immortal and heal from anything, but he can feel pain. And when Justine and the other killer prostitutes catch up to him...oh boy. And he did challenge Justine, too. You can feel this one coming.
I think Dorian is in some serious trouble for his betrayal of Lily. He may be immortal and heal from anything, but he can feel pain. And when Justine and the other killer prostitutes catch up to him...oh boy. And he did challenge Justine, too. You can feel this one coming.
I could not possibly agree more. This show is INCREDIBLY well acted You just bounce from one character to the nest savoring everything they do. I have just started watching season 3 - wanted to get some episodes stored so I didn't have to wait. Have there been any Emmy noms, or at least Golden Globes?
Until the kid dies from TB. Which should be about 5 minutes ago in Penny Dreadful time.
I've been obsessively watching Penny Dreadful since I encountered it on an airplane last year. The mix of high Gothic horror and pulp fiction is tremendously delicious. The acting is amazing and the visuals are absolutely sumptuous.
To respond to a few things in the thread:
Ethan is not related to the Dracula story (not a Quincey Morris stand-in). He comes straight out of the Universal movies Made in 1941, The Wolf Man tells of Larry Talbot's curse (Ethan Lawrence Talbot, get it?). Interestingly, the sequels in which the character appears are Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943), House of Frankenstein (1944) and House of Dracula (1945), so the mash-up we're seeing in Penny Dreadful really relates more to that than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and the show takes as much from the Universal monster movies as the 19th century Gothic horror novels. Which I think means the Mummy is a for sure for season 4, and will provide the connection point for season 1's clues as to who and what Vanessa is. The plot of The Mummy (1932) is that Imhotep, resurrected by the magical Scroll of Thoth, is hunting modern day Cairo for the reincarnation of his lost love. Could Vanessa have a third demonic suitor? Or will Lucifer use the Mummy as a way to have a physical existence?
I think Rusk was totally a tribute to Inspector Kemp! A clever bit of subversion there since he was quite the badass.
I'm fairly sure the Creature's happy ending will come to a tragic end by the season finale.
I don't think Lily is interested in taking over London or anything. She just wants to bring death to "bad men". They can do that just fine.
For me there are Big Mysteries remaining:
I was surprised that Ethan's Western excursion did not cast any light on his lycanthropy. What happened there and how does it connect to the Lupus Dei mythology? For that matter, how does Christian mythology relate to the Egyptian mythology that was first introduced? Recall that Vanessa and Malcolm meet Victor when he dissects a vampire, which has a carapace inscribed with Egyptian hieroglyphics, in which Lyle reads the Amunet story - so there the vampires and Egypt connect. The writings of the mad monk sort of manage to bring that in accordance with Christian mythology, telling of the cast out brothers. Speaking of which: Lucifer and Dracula did not seem to get along. Are they at war? If so, how does that play into their seductions of Vanessa?
How did the Creature die? Given his connection to Vanessa - was she involved in his death? He doesn't remember their connection and it is unclear exactly how much of it she recalls. Somehow I think when he finds out how he died, it shall have some consequences.
What is Dorian's backstory? Will Lily's story be wrapped up or will her and Dorian's stories connect back to the main plot line? The show revolves around resurrection and immortality in many ways, so I think this must come into play somehow.
To respond to a few things in the thread:
Ethan is not related to the Dracula story (not a Quincey Morris stand-in). He comes straight out of the Universal movies Made in 1941, The Wolf Man tells of Larry Talbot's curse (Ethan Lawrence Talbot, get it?). Interestingly, the sequels in which the character appears are Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943), House of Frankenstein (1944) and House of Dracula (1945), so the mash-up we're seeing in Penny Dreadful really relates more to that than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and the show takes as much from the Universal monster movies as the 19th century Gothic horror novels. Which I think means the Mummy is a for sure for season 4, and will provide the connection point for season 1's clues as to who and what Vanessa is. The plot of The Mummy (1932) is that Imhotep, resurrected by the magical Scroll of Thoth, is hunting modern day Cairo for the reincarnation of his lost love. Could Vanessa have a third demonic suitor? Or will Lucifer use the Mummy as a way to have a physical existence?
I think Rusk was totally a tribute to Inspector Kemp! A clever bit of subversion there since he was quite the badass.
I'm fairly sure the Creature's happy ending will come to a tragic end by the season finale.
I don't think Lily is interested in taking over London or anything. She just wants to bring death to "bad men". They can do that just fine.
For me there are Big Mysteries remaining:
I was surprised that Ethan's Western excursion did not cast any light on his lycanthropy. What happened there and how does it connect to the Lupus Dei mythology? For that matter, how does Christian mythology relate to the Egyptian mythology that was first introduced? Recall that Vanessa and Malcolm meet Victor when he dissects a vampire, which has a carapace inscribed with Egyptian hieroglyphics, in which Lyle reads the Amunet story - so there the vampires and Egypt connect. The writings of the mad monk sort of manage to bring that in accordance with Christian mythology, telling of the cast out brothers. Speaking of which: Lucifer and Dracula did not seem to get along. Are they at war? If so, how does that play into their seductions of Vanessa?
How did the Creature die? Given his connection to Vanessa - was she involved in his death? He doesn't remember their connection and it is unclear exactly how much of it she recalls. Somehow I think when he finds out how he died, it shall have some consequences.
What is Dorian's backstory? Will Lily's story be wrapped up or will her and Dorian's stories connect back to the main plot line? The show revolves around resurrection and immortality in many ways, so I think this must come into play somehow.
Ah, but he was NOT a Western cowboy type in those movies. Thus I stand by him being a Quincey Morris stand-in, unless we get the real Morris. He is a mashup of the Talbot you name and Morris.
Not only did Lucifer and Dracula not get along, but Lucifer seemed pretty afraid of Dracula to me! Not what you would expect of Lucifer himself, but I guess if they were coequal angels once, Dracula might indeed for all we know have been the badder ass.
I'm thinking maybe the Creature took a dangerous job he didn't have too much experience in after resigning from the crazyhouse. Isn't his home near some kind of mill or factory? Lots of potential for accidents there.
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Ah, good point on the Talbot/ Morris mashup. I think from Dracula we've really only seen Mina, Van Helsing (for a split second - I thought that was a bit of waste), Mina's off-hand mention of her husband Jonathon, Renfield (because who can resist Renfield?), Dr. Seward, who in the books was male and one of Lucy's suitors along with Morris, and the man himself, right?
There's actually even fewer from Frankenstein the book. No sign of Victor's traditional lady love (Elizabeth? Is that right?), or his family. While a number of people on the internet speculated that Justine was a reference to the Marquis de Sade, she's actually from Frankenstein - a maid of Victor's family who is wrongly convicted of his brother's death after the Creature killed his brother. She goes to the gallows for the family, leaving Victor guilt-ridden since he knows the truth. Thus, I think Logan is, in his inimitable way, giving her a little revenge for being a selfless female martyr in Victorian literature.
There's actually even fewer from Frankenstein the book. No sign of Victor's traditional lady love (Elizabeth? Is that right?), or his family. While a number of people on the internet speculated that Justine was a reference to the Marquis de Sade, she's actually from Frankenstein - a maid of Victor's family who is wrongly convicted of his brother's death after the Creature killed his brother. She goes to the gallows for the family, leaving Victor guilt-ridden since he knows the truth. Thus, I think Logan is, in his inimitable way, giving her a little revenge for being a selfless female martyr in Victorian literature.
Interesting, I totally forgot about the Texas guy from Dracula. I have to admit I'm not really well versed in the Universal movies to the other point though my curiosity is getting piqued by some of these comments.
Another good point, I forgot about that as well. I like the idea that the story is actually circling back on what it had previously established.
I guess, so far as mythologies used goes, PD is taking a line that these beings are older than the mythologies. Lucifer and Dracula are just the current names that they are known by. Vanessa/Amenet told the Evelyn Poole at the seance that she was far older than the name Amenet. The religions of the world have all created their fictions about these beings based on their fears and prejudices which was a point Catriona made. So, all together, Penny Dreadful is picking and choosing from myth and fiction and there are few direct correlations between the stories and the respective characters in the show.
Frankenstein, for instance, is Swiss and educated on the continent not Oxford or a from a family in England as the show does. Ethan has little connection to Quincy Morris beyond the cowboy surface, heck Ethan doesn't even have a cool Bowie knife like Quincy. And Mina and Van Helsing survived the novel and Dracula died so that book went out the window in the first season. I wouldn't get too hung up on trying to put things too close to any one resource. It's taking equally from movies, the novels, and general pop culture and making one heck of a fun show.
^ I don't expect PD to be completely faithful to its sources but its fun trying to suss out the influences.
Exactly. I'm intrigued by from where various aspects are drawn and how they vary from the original sources. And I'm really curious whether this story can build a coherent mythology of its own out of all of these pieces. But, thanks, Gov Kodos, for the reminder about the seance sequence. I'd forgotten about that.
It's fairly easy to draw a connection between Judo-Christian mythology and Egyptian. It's written right into the book of Exodus.
Not that they really need to go that route, I'm sure most culture's myths and folklore has something roughly equivalent to vampires and demons.
What I'm having trouble pinning down is if Catriona Hartdegen is from something else. At first I wondered if she was going to be a Van Helsing stand-in, but now I'm rather fond of the notion that she's Lara Croft's great-great-grandmother...OK, not really, but it's a fun thought.
The only vaguely related connection I can come up with is the name of the traveller in 'The Time Machine' from the early 2000's.
Now that would be novel, if she's actually a time traveller or half Eloi. I was about to say "but a little sci-fi for this show" when I remembered this show also integrates Frankenstein and now it seems 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' too. So who knows?
Not that they really need to go that route, I'm sure most culture's myths and folklore has something roughly equivalent to vampires and demons.
What I'm having trouble pinning down is if Catriona Hartdegen is from something else. At first I wondered if she was going to be a Van Helsing stand-in, but now I'm rather fond of the notion that she's Lara Croft's great-great-grandmother...OK, not really, but it's a fun thought.
The only vaguely related connection I can come up with is the name of the traveller in 'The Time Machine' from the early 2000's.
Now that would be novel, if she's actually a time traveller or half Eloi. I was about to say "but a little sci-fi for this show" when I remembered this show also integrates Frankenstein and now it seems 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' too. So who knows?
I've also seen online discussion that Hartdegen might be related to the time traveler which also explains why she looks and acts a bit too modern for PD.
No, no, thats Brona Croft.
I think I'd have a nerdgasm if they introduced the Time Machine. How about Captain Nemo, while they're at it...
Sir Malcom's globe trotting adventures certainly puts '20,000 Leagues' within reach. Same goes for 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' and 'Around the World in Eighty Days', at least as possibilities. Not all at once, obviously.
'The Invisible Man' could probably work too, but think they'd draw the line at 'From the Earth to the Moon' and 'War of the Worlds'.
'The Invisible Man' could probably work too, but think they'd draw the line at 'From the Earth to the Moon' and 'War of the Worlds'.
