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There was that regular "Flashback" two-page spread tackling an episode per issue... I don't recall seeing that in a while. Just mark off those already done. Maybe bend the rules to feature double headers and story arcs in one go.

That's what the themed issue ideas really replaced. The problem is that the Flashbacks already commissioned by Toby and John covered all the popular episodes and I also felt that they didn't do a lot that you couldn't find on StarTrek.com, Memory Alpha etc.

We tackled The Doomsday Machine and The Measure of a Man as an extended Flashback, and we may well do others next year.... What eps would people like to see? (not Tribbles)

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What? Tell us what it is you're looking for that we're not providing, and I can, at the very least, tell you whether it's something that's feasible or not!

Paul

Well, the feature I miss the most is some sort of technical briefing. I know someone else mentioned this, but his emphasis was on Enterprise. I don't care what incarnation, I just miss the good juicy information.

Schematics. Diagrams of Bridges, and Engineering sections, and other sets. Rarely seen beauty shots of starships. Technical details (fictional weight, height, mass, number of decks, so on and so forth). Doug Drexler, Mike Okuda, John Eaves, Rick Sternbach, Andy Probert, so on and so forth could all be very beneficial in such.

Even if Enterprise is an issue on that front, what of TOS, TMPs, TNG, DS9, VGR, and nuTrek? There is a debate raging on the size of the nuEnterprise. You could quash that by calling ILM and Abrams and asking and doing a feature on such. The Magazine did the technical briefings with expertise; they where the same basically from Fact Files which we didn't get in the US to my knowledge. But at the end of Communicator's run, they too, tried to duplicate the success of those briefings when their loss was bemoaned due to The Mags cancellation.

Not just on ships, but on props - phasers and tricorders - and uniforms, and sets (in universe and set construction). Concept drawings, showing the evolution of things. Interior images (pictures of the sets sans people) showing how particular spaces looked when you could really see them, sans the bodies in the way.

Images and Info like this... (I realize it's ENT, but I'm using it as an example -- the content can be of any series you can get) http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/nx-tech-briefs-03-bridge-module/

http://www.khulsey.com/dk_star-trek_starship-uss-enterprise.jpeg

http://www.ridgenet.net/~curtdan/Excelsior/Ent_B_Bridge.jpg

http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com/cutaways/jackillcut/oberthcutaway.jpg

Oh, the 3-D Set Drawings, How I miss Thee: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/bridges1.htm


Moving on from the Tech stuff, what about more Behind the Scenes information and images? Pictures from across the 43 years from on-set, during filming, so on and so forth. Stories from all the folks who where there. Stories like (for example) how the Reliant became inverted from nacelles above to nacelles below because the sketch was approved wrong-side-up, or how a particular director approach a particular episode, or what happened of interest during the filming of a specific episode. Pictures are often worth a thousand words on behind the scenes stuff, too. I'm a compartive expert at such, those BTS pics. Hehe.


Pictures - I miss the big, full-page photos of the actors as themselves The Magazine used to offer with their interviews. Even Communicator would use a full-page publicity photo for such, even if it had some text at top and bottom.


Q&A Letters - The Magazine and Communicator both did this to extents, but each in their own ways. Communicator hosted "letters to the editor" type things, which where mostly just comments from fans on Trek-topics. The Mag had a Q&A approach, which let people postulate theories or ask questions or debate things and recieve answers when applicable. I myself recall with distinction when one of my own letters (done via e-mail) was published in regards to the question over the fates of the Maquis on Voyager -- the question had been postulated in a previous issue of would they, upon return, be imprisoned or not. I wrote in to respond, and postulated they would not only be pardoned but likely enstated into Starfleet, explaining why I thought such. Often other times, people would right in with insightful questions and The Mag would attempt to give an answer. Fans would point out plot-holes, and get in universe explanations, like why Janeway didn't try to steal a warp coil from the cube in 'Collective' yet 2 years later went to enormous trouble to steal one from a sphere in 'Dark Frontier' and the Magazine would postulate why Janeway had done such, even though the in reality explanation was "it was a plot device to get them on a sphere in dark frontier" :lol:


If I had more time, I'd come up with even more, but I've got to dash off atm.
 
Q&A Letters - The Magazine and Communicator both did this to extents, but each in their own ways.

At the professional journal I edited for 4.5 years, we did a survey of the readership every two years. The most popular request for "What would you like to see?" was readers' letters. My boss kept saying no, but I got her to agree that we could try it.

You know what? In the 4.5 years I was there, no one wrote a formal letter-to-the-editor. We'd get informal praise scrawled on the side of an invoice, or complimentary phone calls, mixed with people enquiring about subscriptions. We ended up feeling like we were ordering people to put their compliments and questions into a formal, publishable form. (You're only likely to hear from readers when they're really angry, and who wants to read angry tirades?)

In this day and age, almost any kind of question can be answered quickly via a Google search. If the "Q" is about Star Trek, then it's highly unlikely that no one has asked it before. And who gets set up as "the expert" to provide the "A"? Larry Nemecek and Richard Arnold? Do we need more "experts" (beyond the rest of us who hang out online doing it for free)?
 
^The letters page has had a degree of increase over the time since the release of the movie but it could rapidly (with some very notable exceptions) become a print version of the Trek XI forum on here.

What we have done for the upcoming issue is ask Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman the most asked questions about the movie continuity.

As to the technical briefings - I'm not sure whether you're after reprints of the stuff we've already seen, Frontier? I think I've already answered the point about a lot of that type of material - if we find NEW unpublished pictures, we'll run it.

The internet is a major problem in all this. There are lots of places where fans and some people who've worked on the show have created images but they're not official!

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I think the problem with making the ST mag more DWM-like is that DWM is a very British magazine, and the Star Trek magazine is no longer produced for a British readership, as it used to be.
Yep, I'm British... guilty as charged.

You will not find an American media SF tie-in magazine with comic strips in it. That's a UK thing. A lot of potential American readers will see a comic strip and think, wtf? This is for kids, I'm not buying it. There are people right here in TrekLit who've stated that they will not read Trek comics because they do not read comics, period. Doesn't matter that the idea that comics are for kids has never really been accurate, the perception is still there.
Even though such a feature would basically occupy the same page count currently occupied by adverts? They'd run a mile because of that? Now that is narrow minded... You would imagine variety is the spice of life. If one feature doesn't appeal, then hopefully the majority of others still do. I like certain incarnations of Star Trek more than others, but I still like them and wouldn't stop reading because there's an issue almost entirely devoted to Voyager.

The relative availability of Star Trek, by comparison, means that its fandom has evolved differently, taking the abundance of material for granted and thus not being as interested in certain arcane details or possible spinoffs of the franchise as the equivalent Doctor Who fan would be.

In other words, it's a different market.
Strikes me Star Trek fans really are their own worst enemy. So how can we expect better treatment from those who make all the various creative, editoral or ownership decisions?

Well, that's it then isn't it? All the really imaginitive ideas either cost too much, are deemed off limits by CBS (so certain underrepresented Trek series' lot can never improved), or nobody really wants to do try anything outside an established formula. Or stuck in a rut if you prefer. Here's to more of the same...
 
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As to the technical briefings - I'm not sure whether you're after reprints of the stuff we've already seen, Frontier? I think I've already answered the point about a lot of that type of material - if we find NEW unpublished pictures, we'll run it.

The internet is a major problem in all this. There are lots of places where fans and some people who've worked on the show have created images but they're not official!

Well, lets take the 3-D drawings (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/bridges1.htm) for example.

I know a lot of them have been done, but there are still some left.

Enterprise-E Sickbay from Nemesis
Picard's Quarters from Nemesis
Crew Lounge (From Deleted Scene) in Nemesis
Observation Lounge from Nemesis
NX-01 Bridge from ENT Season 4
NX-01 Engine Room
NX-01 Shuttle Bay
NX-01 Quarters
Voyager Junior Officer Quarters (Paris, Torres, Kim)
Enterprise-D Bridge from All Good Things
E-D Bridge from Yesterday's Enterprise
E-D Junior Officer Quarters (Worf, Data, La Forge)
NuTrek 1701 Bridge
NuTrek 1701 Sickbay
NuTrek 1701 Transporter Room
NuTrek Kelvin Bridge

Perhaps you could work with Pocket Books and create such for the Titan's primary areas as well - Bridge, Ready Room, Engineering, Sickbay. Likewise with the new Aventine. Maybe a contest, maybe not. Maybe you all handle the leg-work of the contest, while Pocket makes the final decision, but you all get to print the stuff.

*Shrug*

That list right there is 3 or 4 years worth of stuff if you include one in each issue. The "Design the Inside of the Titan" contest -- which you guys could have fun with the fact that your magazine is published by Titan -- would be great publicity as well. And because it would publicize the Titan novels, it would help Pocket, so they might be willing to play ball on such. Not that I expect them to be difficult, lol.

Another idea...

In 2002, there was a book, Star Charts. The last, I think, of the info books done. Perhaps have Geoff Mandel do some updates. He did the route of the NX-01 in season 1; do seasons 2, 3, and 4. Perhaps show the Alpha Quadrant map in the Pocket Books Universe, post-Destiny (many worlds destroyed, borders re-drawn, split of the Romulans, disbanding of the Dominion (GQ I know) Bajor in the UFP, so on and so forth).
 
You will not find an American media SF tie-in magazine with comic strips in it. That's a UK thing. A lot of potential American readers will see a comic strip and think, wtf? This is for kids, I'm not buying it. There are people right here in TrekLit who've stated that they will not read Trek comics because they do not read comics, period. Doesn't matter that the idea that comics are for kids has never really been accurate, the perception is still there.
Even though such a feature would basically occupy the same space currently occupied by adverts? Go figure.

That's a really bad idea getting rid of the advertising space as that is pretty much how magazines like Star Trek can afford to be made. Yes the cover cost goes a long way, but then the space of adverts is then sold to advertisers and in this day and age (I hate that term) all forms of media who rely on adverts need to retain as many as possible other wise you won't get the magazine in the first place :(
 
nobody really wants to do try anything outside an established formula. Or stuck in a rut if you prefer. Here's to more of the same...

The formula is a formula for a reason: the magazine sells well enough that it keeps expanding its parameters and distribution, filling voids left by its now-defunct opposition. Even "Starlog" is gone! I don't see that the magazine is "stuck in a rut" at all; it's a very different magazine compared to a few years ago. But suggesting that the magazine prints material that is already found on the Internet isn't terribly groundbreaking either.

In 2002, there was a book, Star Charts.

Which sold very poorly, despite how cool it was.

Perhaps have Geoff Mandel do some updates.
Wouldn't that be outside the magazine's current license? If the magazine did updates to Pocket's information books, it would be seen as one licensee trampling on the rights of a different licensee, even if Pocket had no intention of updating "Star Charts".
 
That's a really bad idea getting rid of the advertising space as that is pretty much how magazines like Star Trek can afford to be made. Yes the cover cost goes a long way, but then the space of adverts is then sold to advertisers and in this day and age (I hate that term) all forms of media who rely on adverts need to retain as many as possible other wise you won't get the magazine in the first place :(
I just used that as an example really. I fully understand the necessity of advertising revenue and they do at least limit it to stuff related to Star Trek like that business flogging off old props, forthcoming conventions, or promoting other Titan publications. I'm just trying to fend off this perception that having a comic strip would threaten the magazine. That somehow it would become a comic first and foremost, with a little bit of factual or literary articles about the place. Say for instance, you didn't read the novels? Just watched the shows themselves and collected all the various DVD boxsets? Or collected action figures? Surely then, the publication would appear to be overly bias with huge chunks devoted to promoting Pocket Books' business? I'm betting there are many who hold somekind of prejudice for that, as do comic books.
 
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I still like them and wouldn't stop reading because there's an issue almost entirely devoted to Voyager.

Yeah but it's a fact that people do buy based on the proportion of a particular series in the issue, and as a responsible editor, it's my job to cater for all fans, but also produce a magazine that will sell!

Well, that's it then isn't it? All the really imaginitive ideas either cost too much, are deemed off limits by CBS (so certain underrepresented Trek series' lot can never improved), or nobody really wants to do try anything outside an established formula. Or stuck in a rut if you prefer. Here's to more of the same...

That's not what I said at all - I said that the material you want to see doesn't exist. If it's created by fans then it's not official.
And it's simply wrong to say that we don't try outside the established formula.

Perhaps you could work with Pocket Books and create such for the Titan's primary areas as well - Bridge, Ready Room, Engineering, Sickbay. Likewise with the new Aventine. Maybe a contest, maybe not. Maybe you all handle the leg-work of the contest, while Pocket makes the final decision, but you all get to print the stuff.

So in addition to everything else that is involved with putting together a magazine every six weeks - that would still be there to do - I'd have all of that "legwork" to do for the benefit of the few fans who are interested in the interior of a ship mentioned briefly on screen in a movie in 2002?


About sums it up!

In 2002, there was a book, Star Charts. The last, I think, of the info books done. Perhaps have Geoff Mandel do some updates. He did the route of the NX-01 in season 1; do seasons 2, 3, and 4. Perhaps show the Alpha Quadrant map in the Pocket Books Universe, post-Destiny (many worlds destroyed, borders re-drawn, split of the Romulans, disbanding of the Dominion (GQ I know) Bajor in the UFP, so on and so forth).
As Therin points out, Star Charts wasn't popular enough to warrant a sequel... why would we want to sequelize something that didn't have a fanbase in the first place?


just trying to fend off this perception that having a comic strip would threaten the magazine. That somehow it would become a comic first and foremost, with a little bit of factual or literary articles about the place. Say for instance, you didn't read the novels? Just watched the shows themselves and collected all the various DVD boxsets? Or collected action figures? Surely then, the publication would appear to be overly bias with huge chunks devoted to promoting Pocket Books' business? I'm betting there are many who hold somekind of prejudice for that, as do comic books.

It's not a question of a perception. It's a reality. There were reprints in the magazine; they weren't popular. IDW has the right to create Star Trek strips - in both classic and JJverse.

The book material amounts to a fiction extract, reviews, and occasional book jackets indicating where readers CAN, not MUST, find out more about the characters. The writers are usually specifically instructed not to include TrekLIt references in the articles - the Borg piece in #20 was a major exception. The Harry Mudd piece doesn't reference Mudd's Angels or Mudd in Your Eye.

and, I'll repeat till I resemble an Andorian, the reason the books and comics have had increased coverage is because they are the only new Star Trek stories being produced. We've had 120 minutes of new Star Trek since May 2005 otherwise...!

And as one of the writers pointed out last time we had this go round over blueprints in the magazine, repeating items that were major parts of mags that ended up ceasing isn't necessarily the most sensible business decision. And, like it or not, Star Trek Magazine is NOT a fanzine, it's a professional magazine that has to sell and make a profit. Just as the novels do!

Paul
 
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^ I'll allow your responses to sink in for a while, Paul. You're obviously right, knowing more about the ins and outs than I do. Maybe I don't appreciate the difference between a mag and a fanzine. But I like to let my frustration out for some air from time to time.

Please do a quick edit though, more for TheAlmanac's sake. You've quoted my words as his. Cheers.
 
^ I'll allow your responses to sink in for a while, Paul. You're obviously right, knowing more about the ins and outs than I do. Maybe I don't appreciate the difference between a mag and a fanzine. But I like to let my frustration out for some air from time to time.

Please do a quick edit though, more for TheAlmanac's sake. You've quoted my words as his. Cheers.

Done! Thanks. As I've said elsewhere, everyone needs editing!!

It's a large difference between a licensed mag and a fanzine. There are other big differences - we can't print rumours about what may or may not be in, say the script for the next movie, or potential casting. What we can do is report when it's denied or otherwise by the Powers That Be. A lot of unofficial sites were able to run news stories ahead of us during the run up to the movie because they were getting info from well-placed sources - but as the information wasn't officially confirmed, we couldn't run it.
We can't cover the proposed animated series that there's loads of great stuff on Facebook about. For a time there we could over some fan made films, but even those are a gray area now with the success of the movie.

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and, I'll repeat till I resemble an Andorian, the reason the books and comics have had increased coverage is because they are the only new Star Trek stories being produced. We've had 120 minutes of new Star Trek since May 2005 otherwise...!
This is an important distinction between Star Trek and Doctor Who or, really, other British SF series--in my entire lifetime, the longest gap in live-action Star Trek has been the one we just had, 2005-2009. Even so, I can still spend at least five hours a day watching Trek on TV without having to do any amount of extra work, like popping in a DVD.

Star Trek didn't have a seven-year gap followed by a nine-year gap. The franchise has longer American seasons of 20+ episodes each rather than shorter British seasons. It doesn't have lost episodes or unfinished episodes, and barely has any extant deleted scenes available for viewing. (That last part does make me sad at times.) Its fandom has no real market for original audio stories, or novels that fill in every single gap between every single episode, or super-obscure production notes about obtaining special permission from the Earl of Cummerbund to build part of the Cyberbase on the grounds of his estate (or whatever).

Despite all that, as Paul said, the lack of new episodes is gradually leading to an increased focus on books and comics, and people like Roberto Orci have shown a bit more of a Russell T Davies-like interest in providing additional background continuity and incorporating stuff from tie-ins into the franchise. (There was a comic strip in a magazine before the movie, after all--it was just Wired, and a one-off.)

If all we get for the foreseeable future are Abramsverse movies, that shift will probably continue, but that sort of...I don't know, archaeological impetus just doesn't define ST fandom the way it does DW fandom, and as a big fan of both franchises, I'd say the difference in approach seems pretty evident.
 
^There have been plenty of Trek novels and comics filling in gaps between episodes and/or movies. Recent examples include the 9 A Time to... books, the Slings and Arrows e-books, the Millennium and String Theory trilogies, Rosetta, and the two stories (one prose, one comics) about Lt. Uhura's recovery from Nomad's mindwipe in "The Changeling." And there's plenty of fan interest in super-obscure production notes too.
 
^There have been plenty of Trek novels and comics filling in gaps between episodes and/or movies.
Of course there are, but Doctor Who squeezes them in everywhere--even taking televised stories which seem to lead directly into each other and interpreting them so that additional stories can still be shoved in between.

I don't think of Star Trek tie-ins as getting to that level of narrative insertion.

And there's plenty of fan interest in super-obscure production notes too.
Analogous production stories exist, but Paul seemed to outline why the magazine wouldn't be going the Doctor Who route of telling "from 5th to 7th February, location filming continued in Worcestershire" production stories about every single episode in the franchise--and his perspective on why that approach wouldn't port over reflects my own thinking on the matter.
 
Ugh, I hate "The Time Team." *blech*

Oh, I love "The Time Team"! But then I'm partway through a Who rewatch myself.

I'd definitely enjoy a DS9 rewatch.

Think about it though - there were 160 odd Dr Who stories before the relaunch, so what, about 225 now? and it's taken them the best part of a decade to do it and hey're only JUST getting to the end of the classic series.

There are 736 different Trek stories.... :)

Ah yes but didn't they slow the Time Team down recently. I think they used to do two or three episodes at a time but now only do one. You could do five episodes an issue and be finished in 146 issues!

On a side note I like the Time Team as I use it as a different type of review of the episodes, and is often amusing.
 
If all we get for the foreseeable future are Abramsverse movies, that shift will probably continue, but that sort of...I don't know, archaeological impetus just doesn't define ST fandom the way it does DW fandom, and as a big fan of both franchises, I'd say the difference in approach seems pretty evident.
The differences between the two fandoms are interesting, and I've long wondered why the two fandoms are so vastly different. The conclusions I've come to:

1) Doctor Who has no Roddenberry-like figure. Yes, Who fans can talk about different producers and different script editors, but Star Trek is, somewhat inaccurately, seen as Roddenberry's baby, and fandom has long assigned him credit for things he had little, if any, involvement in. Who fandom recognizes the differences between the Holmes/Hinchcliffe era and the Graham Williams era and would never assign the strengths and failures of one to the other, for instance, but many Star Trek fans are confused as to the extent of Roddenberry's involvement in the Animated Series and the films, and Roddenberry's own historical revisionism over the years muddied the waters. As an example, I just read an article about how Roddenberry insisted that the computer used in Star Trek IV be a Macintosh because Roddenberry owned one of the first Mac Pluses, yet the problem with that is that Roddenberry's involvement in the film was nil, and Roddenberry could insist all he wanted, but the decision was ultimately up to Nimoy and Bennett. The end result -- Who fans have tended to be more engaged with the history of their series, because their series has a history, while Trek fans aren't as engaged with the history of their series.

2) The keepers of the Who flame during the Interregnums were fans, and from those keepers the creators of new Who were drawn -- Paul Cornell, Russell T. Davies, Steven Moffatt -- which gives Who a broader link to its past because, going back to the first point, Who fandom is more aware of its past. Trek doesn't have that same connection between the professionals and the fandom, the lines aren't as blurred. And until recently, the people producing Trek have shown very little awareness for anything going on outside their boxes. The ancillary products seem to be of more value in Who, while in Trek there's a feeling of disposability.

2A) As a corollary... Ian Levine was never in a position to say that Doctor Who Magazine didn't count, while Richard Arnold was empowered to be narrow-minded and fundamentalist about what counted and what didn't. The different perceptions of canon between the two fandoms has some effect on the shape of fandom. If, as is the case in Star Trek, you know that some things don't count officially, there's an unspoken message that it's not important, or it can be skipped.

3) Doctor Who fans start at an earlier age, so there's a childhood nostalgia factor attached to Doctor Who in the minds of many fans, which Star Trek, by and large, seems not to have. Also, Doctor Who is a family program, while Star Trek is ghettoized into the science-fiction genre. Thus, Who fandom is more socially acceptable, while Star Trek fandom is niche.

I, personally, would prefer a Star Trek fandom that were more like Doctor Who fandom. I wonder where Star Trek's Lance Parkin or Paul Cornell is. Or, for that matter, where its Lawrence Miles is. We do have our Craig Hintons, though. (Mollmann, I'm looking at you.) But I also accept that Star Trek fandom is a vastly different beast than Who fandom. There's a lot of inertia in Star Trek fandom, a lot of institutionalization.

Vive la difference.

^There have been plenty of Trek novels and comics filling in gaps between episodes and/or movies.
Of course there are, but Doctor Who squeezes them in everywhere--even taking televised stories which seem to lead directly into each other and interpreting them so that additional stories can still be shoved in between.
Oh, yeah. Like the fifth Doctor/Peri non-gap. If you take the novels and the audios, there's roughly ten years for the Doctor and Peri between "Planet of Fire" and "The Caves of Androzani." Warmonger itself spans about five years, and The Kingmaker spans two. Which means that Peri must be in her early-30s by "Mindwarp." :guffaw:
I don't think of Star Trek tie-ins as getting to that level of narrative insertion.
I used to think that Prime Directive was a little problematic. That's probably the worst-case scenario, though.
 
^There have been plenty of Trek novels and comics filling in gaps between episodes and/or movies.
Of course there are, but Doctor Who squeezes them in everywhere--even taking televised stories which seem to lead directly into each other and interpreting them so that additional stories can still be shoved in between.

I don't think of Star Trek tie-ins as getting to that level of narrative insertion.

Heck, I myself have written two short stories that took place during other episodes. "...Loved I Not Honor More" takes place mostly during "Soldiers of the Empire" and the respective final scenes of the story and the episode are depicting near-simultaneous conversations at different tables in Quark's. "Brief Candle" picks up after "Survival Instinct" and overlaps the entirety of "Barge of the Dead," tying the two episodes together in some respects.

As for shoving stories in between canonical installments that were meant to lead directly into each other, I refer you to DC's first TOS comic and William Rotsler's Star Trek III Short Stories.

Other forms of extreme narrative insertion include Klingons: Blood Will Tell, retelling TOS's Klingon episodes from the Klingon viewpoint; issue 2 of John Byrne's Assignment: Earth comic, which tells "Tomorrow is Yesterday" from Gary Seven's POV; and Crucible: Kirk, which inserts a whole novel's worth of events between the scene in Generations where Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus and the subsequent scene where they confront Soran.
 
Doctor Who squeezes them in everywhere--even taking televised stories which seem to lead directly into each other and interpreting them so that additional stories can still be shoved in between.

I don't think of Star Trek tie-ins as getting to that level of narrative insertion.

Then you haven't read Alan Dean Foster's "Star Trek Logs", or the DC comic series issues set after ST III, in which Spock recovers from the Fal Tor Pan, captains a ship, and returns to his inert state in time for ST IV.
 
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