Pat Robertson Voodoo Doll!
- Thread starter Peacemaker
- Start date
http://tinyurl.com/ye4bkem
[/QUOTE]
The quote has Danny Glover saying: "What happened in Haiti could happen to anywhere in the Caribbean because all these island nations are in peril because of global warming," Glover said. "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I'm sayin'?"
How is that deserving of anything? Danny didn't say the people of Haiti caused global warming. He is saying WE LET THEM DOWN by not acting on the threat of global warming sooner.
But it's crazy. The fault that runs under Port-au-Prince has been there for a long time. What exacerbated the post-quake situation is the deforestation. There were a lot of mudslides that killed a lot of additional people. As we know, you have to replace the trees you cut down, and the corporations who paid off the Haitian politicians to allow the trees to be cut down and not replaced, oughta have a voodoo doll, too, if anyone!
The fault that runs under Port-au-Prince is due to continental drift. The Caribbean plate is being compressed by the Atlantic plate. It has nothing to do with voodoo, the cosmic mind, the ocean levels, or television evangelism. It is simply nature.
People like beautiful scenery, and the most beautiful scenery is a direct result of planetary forces. We can't stop people from building on the Mississippi delta, the San Andreas fault, or even Niagara Falls. And if you point it out, then you're somehow cold-hearted, but the thing is, people like to live dangerously.
Meanwhile, Pat Robertson made his bed ad now he can lie in it. No need to come to his defense. The natural consequence of his assininity should be allowed to take place.
Why? It's a joke, and a darn funny one. And even if someone is going to stick nails in it, it's not like it actually works, innit?
Let's not muck things up. Robertson said the Haitians deserved it because they made a pact with the devil. Glover said the Haitians suffered it due to man-made climate change. While still a stupid claim, it's on an entirely different level.
Would it make any difference if it did?
^if it did, I'd put a Yankees shirt on it. (The M's have been to the post-season twice, eliminated both times by the Yankees.)
Yes. If they worked then it's mean. IT DOESN'T WORK!
If things like that work the planes the Yankees use would always be broken and they would need to take trains.
Of course it's mean, but I get the feeling that there are those who wouldn't care and would use the doll anyway.
And this may not mean anything to any of you, but Robertson's comments aren't as cut-and-dried as his haters seem to think they are. His claim that the Haitians signed a pact with the devil may be hyperbole in the extreme, but they are based in something that did happen: Dutty Boukman's ceremony over which he presided at Bois Caiman in 1791, in which animals were sacrificed and the blood drank. This may not have been a Satanic ceremony, but the overreaction to it would seem to have its roots in a long standing conflict between Christianity and African religious practices. So it is clear that Robertson didn't just make it up right then and there. Also, he didn't actually say that the earthquake was God's wrath, or that the Haitian people deserved what happened to them. He's called for prayer for them, and his organization is contributing to the Haitian relief effort.
None of this makes what Robertson said any less insensitive, of course. But I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Last edited:
Since you seem to have a substantial personal list of favorite foods, the tradition of putting your foot in your mouth should not be such a such a big deal.
If I rolled my eyes at this thing as much as it deserves, they'd fall out and roll across the floor.
Guess a bit of hypocrisy really does work, eh?
Just to be clear, you watch the 700 Club so you should be intimately familiar with the types of comments Robertson has made in the past, even though you claim you don't watch his portion of the show, which I doubt.
When the news of Robertson's comments was posted here, you refused to believe it and demanded more evidence even though you could have easily looked it up yourself and verified it before posting. You purposely chose not to do so, because playing naive and uninformed is your shtick.
Now, after finally acknowledging that Robertson's comments were actually made, you seek to partially excuse them by saying they were based on a real incident, as if that makes any difference at all in whether their descendants 200 years later should be held responsible for the actions of the ancestors.
So, time after time you're willing to sidestep the issue or make excuses for Robertson, yet when someone sells a voodoo doll which you know doesn't actually do anything magical, which will donate proceeds to the Red Cross relief efforts in Haiti, and which only criticizes one individual for his direct actions rather than millions of people for alleged actions they took no part in, you have the nerve to say the two things are at all comparable and that the voodoo doll eBay sellers are hypocrites?
You're the only one being hypocritical here. You should have shown the same outrage as you did toward the silly voodoo doll incident above toward Robertson's comments right from the start. You have the nerve to call those who criticize Robertson's religious bigotry "haters" yet make excuses for him and his advocacy for what is essentially divine genocide?
Get some damn perspective.
A
Amaris
Guest
If I had a large, expendable income, I would absolutely bid very high for this thing, just to own it. I'd even do weekly webcasts where I ask what will we give Pat this week? 
If I rolled my eyes at this thing as much as it deserves, they'd fall out and roll across the floor.
Guess a bit of hypocrisy really does work, eh?
Just to be clear, you watch the 700 Club so you should be intimately familiar with the types of comments Robertson has made in the past, even though you claim you don't watch his portion of the show, which I doubt.
When the news of Robertson's comments was posted here, you refused to believe it and demanded more evidence even though you could have easily looked it up yourself and verified it before posting. You purposely chose not to do so, because playing naive and uninformed is your shtick.
Now, after finally acknowledging that Robertson's comments were actually made, you seek to partially excuse them by saying they were based on a real incident, as if that makes any difference at all in whether their descendants 200 years later should be held responsible for the actions of the ancestors.
So, time after time you're willing to sidestep the issue or make excuses for Robertson, yet when someone sells a voodoo doll which you know doesn't actually do anything magical, which will donate proceeds to the Red Cross relief efforts in Haiti, and which only criticizes one individual for his direct actions rather than millions of people for alleged actions they took no part in, you have the nerve to say the two things are at all comparable and that the voodoo doll eBay sellers are hypocrites?
You're the only one being hypocritical here. You should have shown the same outrage as you did toward the silly voodoo doll incident above toward Robertson's comments right from the start. You have the nerve to call those who criticize Robertson's religious bigotry "haters" yet make excuses for him and his advocacy for what is essentially divine genocide?
Get some damn perspective.
And, if I might add, Robertson most certainly did draw a connection between this alleged pact with the devil (which for the record is historically inaccurate), telling the young lady beside him "as you know" and passing it off a a true story (which it isn't), and the earthquake. Mr. Laser Beam your disclaimer:
is patently FALSE. You seem to be unable to grasp the elementary distinction between words and concepts and what is said and the logical implications of those words. Words form sentences,which form paragraphs which all have meanings.
Pat Robertson = false prophet since at least 1975. Why does anybody follow this man? He's not even "nuts," he's just a plain,old fashioned false prophet by the Bible's own standards.
Now that that's off my chest this is now up...the Rush Limbaugh Voodoo Doll!
Why does it matter? If they actually worked, the Jays would've won every series since 92.
Just sayin'. We don't live in a creepy demon run world like Robertson wants you to believe.
I find the people speaking out against this little bit of karmic payback rather telling.
I don't think it even counts as "karmic payback." It's basically the equivalent of a satirical plush doll.
Of course it would. If I take a toy phaser, point it at someone and yell "pew! pew!", is that the same as taking a real gun and actually shooting at people?
Yeah, a kooky ceremony made by superstitious people more that 200 years ago is a perfectly good reason to invoke for a devastating earthquake.
Yeah, a kooky ceremony made by superstitious people more that 200 years ago is a perfectly good reason to invoke for a devastating earthquake.
That's not what Mr. Laser Beam said. He merely pointed out there was actually a historic event that Robertson could have used as a basis for his stupid claims. And for Robertson it would actually be good reasoning, I think
This voodoo doll is a bit of poking fun, and harmless or not, it's not a sign of appreciation towards Robertson, of course (Not that he deserves any). In that sense I agree with previous statements that it's a bit hypocritical. It's certainly not at the same level of Robertson's words, but it's not all daisies and sunshine either.
Yeah, a kooky ceremony made by superstitious people more that 200 years ago is a perfectly good reason to invoke for a devastating earthquake.
That's not what Mr. Laser Beam said. He merely pointed out there was actually a historic event that Robertson could have used as a basis for his stupid claims. And for Robertson it would actually be good reasoning, I think
How is it good reasoning? Haitian Vodou (voodoo) had/has nothing to do with worshiping or making pacts with Satan. It's a pagan religion that had to incorporate elements of Roman Catholicism (saints took the place of their holy spirits) to be able to be practiced in disguise while under French rule and enslavement. Satan is barely part of it, and comes from Catholicism, where it has the same negative association it does amongst Christians.
The ceremony described didn't even involve the devil at all. That's just Robertson talking out of his ass and associating pagan religions with Satanism.
Even if things had gone down at Robertson said, which they didn't, what bearing does a ceremony conducted in 1791 have to do with those who did not participate at the time or in every subsequent generation over the past 219 years? What kind of f'd up belief system continues to hold the descendants responsible for the actions of a few of their distant ancestors?
Robertson's brand of Christianity isn't even compatible with the majority of other Christians, so I don't get the rush to defend him even a little bit while having no trouble at all criticizing this completely harmless eBay auction which will actually do some good as well.
It's not hypocritical at all. If you're going to give false credit to a myth about Haitian Voodoo and Satanism, then it's fair game to satirically use another myth in the form of a voodoo doll. Voodoo dolls as a means of targeting or cursing a person who the doll represents are not used in Haitian Vodou and the relation is largely a product of fictional accounts of voodoo in film, TV, and books. Though the locals will gladly play this up by selling voodoo dolls to tourists who don't know any better and just base their impressions of local religion on movies.
Unless you genuinely consider voodoo dolls real or magical, it's just a way of poking fun (pun intended) at Robertson's ignorance and backwards superstition (not talking about his faith in God here, but his belief in demons and making pacts with the devil and so forth). The man has earned that derision time and time again with his arrogance and judgmental attitude where he basically seems to think he speaks on behalf of God.
I admit I didn't know that.
But a ceremony by Africans in 1791 is with their gods, not the devil.
On the other hand, if you believe that Christianity is the only true religion and all others are actually devil-worship, then you would assume that any ceremony that isn't Christian has to be with the Devil.
And that is called intolerance.
On the other hand, if you believe that Christianity is the only true religion and all others are actually devil-worship, then you would assume that any ceremony that isn't Christian has to be with the Devil.
And that is called intolerance.
While my first impulse was to laugh at the doll--and no matter what, I am VERY glad the proceeds are going to charity--I've never liked voodoo dolls. It's not that I believe they work, but I don't think we do ourselves any good by encouraging our revenge fantasies on people, no matter HOW richly various targets might deserve it. That's for God to decide, not me.