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Paramount going ahead with ST4 according to Engage

I have this thing about seeing and handling products first.

Also, I was a retail assistant manager for ten years-I don't have to imagine it. I lived it.

Sorry, I missed the name - I thought you were the same user who posted earlier about how the stores he asked told him there was no demand but he didn't believe them and thought if they carried them they'd have big sales- hence that section of my post. I see now that you weren't.

I get wanting to see things in person but unfortunately that's less and less an option for a lot of stuff. I don't know how many youtube videos I watch of products now since I can't find them in stores. Be less time consuming for me if I could just handle them myself!
 
I'm one of the few who buy the novels and there's not that many of us.

Far fewer than there once were.

In the mid-90s, a major department store near me had shelves of Trek books, as did my local library.

The former disappeared by 2000ish, and they dropped out of bookstores around the same time. Now they're only in a handful of specialty stores.

As for the latter, my library now has more Warhammer books than Trek.

I'm not sure how much of that is the general decline in Trek's popularity, and how much comes from issues with the books themselves. I'm still a big fan, and own over 100 Trek novels, but almost all are from pre-2000 because I disliked the direction they took from around that time.
 
Far fewer than there once were.

In the mid-90s, a major department store near me had shelves of Trek books, as did my local library.

The former disappeared by 2000ish, and they dropped out of bookstores around the same time. Now they're only in a handful of specialty stores.

As for the latter, my library now has more Warhammer books than Trek.

I'm not sure how much of that is the general decline in Trek's popularity, and how much comes from issues with the books themselves. I'm still a big fan, and own over 100 Trek novels, but almost all are from pre-2000 because I disliked the direction they took from around that time.
I far prefer the relaunch onwards period of Treklit, so I don't see it as an issue with the novels themselves. I think it's a bigger issue than that.
 
Again, you're only relating a small sample, and a skewed sample at that.

It's not really as skewed as you want to assert. The fact one store had a wall of Trek merch that went fast says a lot. It's not even anecdotal - it's research. We don't sell Trek merch because we're Trek fans - we sell it because people want it.

The Works didn't sell out of Trek merch because one person went in and bought everything - they sold out in days because people wanted it. People don't ask for stuff cash in hand because they want to test the waters - they go in because they want it.

You talked to the managers. They told you the merchandise isn't selling and doesn't have enough of a demand so they aren't carrying much of it.

The staff of one store say that. The last time they did, a rival store bought in the merch that was being asked for and sold out quickly. Again, not as much a skewed result as a store saw a demand, sold out. Another store (the more high profile store) didn't see the value and someone else profited from the oversight.

Any time that particular store has Trek merch, it's sold fast - aside form overpriced items. Keyrings, phasers, even Rubies uniforms - they don't last long. The high end merchandise doesn't sell as fast, but thats whats available and thats whats lying on shelves and that causes the assumption there's no demand.

That is a skewed result. Collectors want to buy Diamond Select high end replica's. People want something cool for cheaps. The latter doesn't exist.

To be honest - I find more fault with the lack of even bothering to try with merch rather than the stoes not stocking anything. Aside from items that are decades out of date and highly priced, there's bugger all to actually buy in stores for the product thats out there. Aside from Asda which has hotwheels vans with William Shatners face on the side, which is just awful.

I don't know what cons you went to this year but I feel bad for you. The ones I went to were loaded with Trek merchandise and cast members. Since this was the 50th, Trek had the biggest floor space in the events of any franchise. All of it overpriced, I totally agree with you there, but it was everywhere.

We had one official Star Trek convention in the UK. The less said about that the better :p But, despite the above, that could be an interesting factor to take into account. Of the two major conventions, the younger 'cosplay' market is focused on more now than ever and the guests from overseas aren't as accessible due to extra cost and expense.

As such the only major thing on show is aimed to that younger market, primarily teens. And most teens appreciate a YouTube star more than an anniversary (I'm sadly not even being snarky! :p)

I personally think that the problem isn't lack of demand, but the mix of products that is out there right now. The one Star Trek product I saw at Target the other day was a remote control Ent-A model that looks really cool and retailed for $119 US. Which, ok, that's great, but not what I'm really looking for.

Thats the thing - The Ent A design is decades old and hasn't been on screen since the early 90's film focused on "we're old and grey."

The people who wanted the A bought it years ago in some shape or form. It's weird that a lot of the Trek items that come out are aimed at people who have been collecting variations of those items for a long time now.

Products for young female fans are an intriguing point of view - Star Wars had Rey, young girls had their icon and bought Rey. My daughter loves womens wrestling, she can go to a shop and buy an Alexa Bliss figure. Beyond brought a new kick ass female that can appeal well to young fans. But.... nothing.

It's a bizarre world where the BBC can sell figures of a grumpy old man, but Paramount live in fear of selling a young group of heroes :/
 
...Products for young female fans are an intriguing point of view - Star Wars had Rey, young girls had their icon and bought Rey. My daughter loves womens wrestling, she can go to a shop and buy an Alexa Bliss figure. Beyond brought a new kick ass female that can appeal well to young fans. But.... nothing.:

Female characters, with strong personality. I think that Discovery is going to invest on this.
 
Female characters, with strong personality. I think that Discovery is going to invest on this.
I'd like to think so, but from the information at hand on Discovery, I'm not sure it'd have the same appeal of age range. Could be entirely wrong as we don't really know anything on that front, but Beyond and the movie franchise seems to have a wider representation in terms of rating and accessibility than Discovery will :/
 
I'd like to think so, but from the information at hand on Discovery, I'm not sure it'd have the same appeal of age range. Could be entirely wrong as we don't really know anything on that front, but Beyond and the movie franchise seems to have a wider representation in terms of rating and accessibility than Discovery will :/
I agree. I don't have any idea what they are thinking about, But Star Trek needs to open up new fronts to expand it. Who said that Discovery will not have a wider representation in termos of rating? I think that Discovery will be similar to Westerworld in terms of violence, sex scenes (some times), drama, humor, special effects and of course Star Trek stories.
Nothing will be the same.
I don't know if it will work, but I am optimistic.
 
Female characters, with strong personality. I think that Discovery is going to invest on this.
Yes, thank the gods. Discovery will give us strong female characters with range. Characters that serve the story rather than being kick ass.

The people who wanted the A bought it years ago in some shape or form. It's weird that a lot of the Trek items that come out are aimed at people who have been collecting variations of those items for a long time now.
Not so weird when it's the stuff that sells opposed to the newer stuff that doesn't.
 
Yes, thank the gods. Discovery will give us strong female characters with range. Characters that serve the story rather than being kick ass.


Not so weird when it's the stuff that sells opposed to the newer stuff that doesn't.
I saw the Trek 09 stuff sell better than other model sets.
 
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