P/C run amok...

[Naraht]

Posted by kozara:
I think Will & Deanna's wedding and Bev on Earth will jumpstart the relationship into romantic tryst and serious, serious thoughts indeed territory. He's no longer her captain (was she thinking how Lessons ended when saying "Or maybe we should be afraid"?), and breakfast and conversation are now things they have to plan. And the Enterprise has to go to warp for.

Yes, I think you're right about this. As I've said before, Lessons proved that having a relationship with the captain that you're serving under (and particularly with Picard) can be hazardous to your career. After all, in Encounter at Farpoint, Picard did try to have her transferred off the ship due to his own awkwardness at serving with her... all this talk about sparing *her* feelings was, IMO, just a cover.

So we can hope that serving apart, and not being able to have their cake and eat it too, will perhaps cause them to think again.

And now, by special request, I present... ActionBev!

Protecting Wesley, of course! (Datalore)

I love her stance with the phaser; she has such style! (Conspiracy)

Truly classic. The lighting is superb, and the expression of determination on her face. (BOBW)

Sadly I have no access to the relevant screencaps from "Suspicions," so you'll just have to use your imagination...

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

I had some free time and made some caps. I tried to get Bev's spin kick but it's kinda hard to make her out:

The struggle

Bev's spin kick part 1

Bev's spin kick part 2

Bev's spin kick part 3

Bev looking intense with a phaser

 

[Gold Grizzly]

Posted by Vasquez Rocks:
I had some free time and made some caps.

I've made a cap of this episode as well, but you've beaten me to it! I'm so annoyed, that I'm putting up another P/Q picture. That'll teach you.

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

Posted by Gold Grizzly:
I've made a cap of this episode as well, but you've beaten me to it! I'm so annoyed, that I'm putting up another P/Q picture. That'll teach you.

You've got to be fast on this board.

 

[Naraht]

Thanks, Vasquez Rocks, they look really nice!

And as for you, Gold Grizzly, all I can say is...

 

[Cali]

Posted by Gold Grizzly:

That's disturbing.

Lovely spin kick though. Wish I could do that!

 

[Gold Grizzly]

Posted by CalifornianStrawberries:
Lovely spin kick though. Wish I could do that!

Was that McFadden or a stunt double?

 

[kozara]

Woo! ActionBev! Thank you Naraht and Vasquez Rocks! And Gold Grizzly, you are evil when annoyed.

Is my memory playing tricks on me or is there a scene with Bev training on the phaser range? She has to have practiced from time to time. Maybe she trained with Worf to flying kick Jo'Bril's ass too.

 

[mon capitaine]

Time to contemplate those annoying gaps....

Whilst I accept that Picard has a lot on his mind during Conundrum, wouldn't this episode have been a perfect opportunity for some P/C interaction without the usual emotional baggage?

 

[Naraht]

The problem with Conundrum is that it focussed fairly exclusively in character terms on Riker's rampant manliness. Clearly it would have been too confusing to the viewers to demonstrate at the same time that Picard is manly too.

More seriously, yes, if Beverly and Jean-Luc had both lost their memories, I would expect them to be all over each other! Perhaps it's that engrained devotion to duty that remains even after their individual memories are gone. Perhaps TPTB are cowards. But an interesting thought...

*Naraht wanders off to think about fanfic possibilities*

 

[mon capitaine]

Whilst I'm on a roll then, shouldn't Bev have been more jealous of Vash in Q-Pid than she was? She seems to find the whole thing amusing but shouldn't she be mightily pissed off? Sure, Vash is no long term threat, but she's evidently getting the one thing that Bev's relationship with Picard lacks. Dr C has put in a lot of hard work, cultivating breakfasts, sitting on his desk, whatever, just to have that tramp swoop in and take him? Frankly, I'd be pissed.

 

[Naraht]

^^Possibly, but we have no evidence in season four that Beverly is actually still consciously interested in initiating a romantic relationship with Picard. In season one it was different, but by season four she seems quite happy being friends with him, having breakfast together, and so on? Had she perhaps decided, on getting better acquainted with him, that despite the clear attraction between them, it wasn't going to work out? That's the only thing that I can think...

I enjoyed seeing her being amused, serene, and self-confident in that scene, but I do agree that it would have been probably more realistic to show her being just a tiny bit shaken by the appearance of Vash. Even if Bev did have her own dalliance later that season.


And now, by popular demand, may I present...

The beginner's guide to P/C, part one

"Encounter at Farpoint":
As one P/Cer put it... 'ship ahoy!

Looks like she doesn't want that transfer off the Enterprise

"The Naked Now"
Would you say no?

Close, but no...

"My dear captain..."

"The Last Outpost":
I know, I know, she's just checking his pulse.

"Too Short a Season":
Can Picard resist the appealing look?

"The Big Goodbye":
In the middle of a briefing, this.

Wow!

If only they hadn't been so rudely interrupted...

More to follow, if you ask nicely.

 

[mon capitaine]

Posted by Naraht:
..we have no evidence in season four that Beverly is actually still consciously interested in initiating a romantic relationship with Picard. In season one it was different, but by season four she seems quite happy being friends with him, having breakfast together, and so on? Had she perhaps decided, on getting better acquainted with him, that despite the clear attraction between them, it wasn't going to work out? That's the only thing that I can think...

It's all off by Season 4? I'd hadn't realised. Ouch. Perhaps she'd seen enough after retrieving all those Borg implants?

Seriously it's over by Season 4? Surely not?

 

[Naraht]

I'm not saying that it's over as in over for good. Obviously there is still a major attraction there, even if they're both denying it, which is ready to flower at just the right moment. (That is, during the TNG movies, if only they had been done correctly!)

However, I think there's a major shift in Beverly's attitude between seasons one and three. In the beginning, she seems to be fairly overtly interested in Picard. Then she goes away to Starfleet Medical for a year, perhaps does some soul searching. Because even by season three, by the time that Picard's duplicate tries to seduce her in Allegiance, she seems to have some fairly well though-out reasons why it isn't a good time to begin a romantic relationship. And she starts to relate to Picard more as a friend. Breakfasts, etcetera.

So I would say that yes, by the time of season four, she has definitely broken off the pursuit... denying, even if she can't eliminate, her feelings for him.

 

[od0_ital]

Just a quick note for y'all P / C fans who bothered to get the Star Trek: Nemesis 2004 calender. For the month of December, y'all have a pic of Picard & Crusher together in their dress uniforms from the wedding scene.

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

Posted by Naraht:
Thanks, Vasquez Rocks, they look really nice!

Sure, no problem.

And here's one more Action Bev pic that I forgot.

Pothead...

One of her weaker action moves but...

 

[Gold Grizzly]

/\ I understand that her and Sirtis were a bit annoyed about that sequence, because they were the only members of the cast with training in fighting with proper weapons, and they were reduced to the old jar-breaking attack.

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

^ Yeah, I heard that too.

That was pretty lame to just have them smash pots on their heads. They should know how to fight, what with their starfleet training and Worf's training classes. (Forgot what Worf called it.)

 

[Naraht]

Yes, some proper fighting would be much better. Even Uhura got to do some hand-to-hand combat in Mirror, Mirror. All Bev got is that (admittedly lovely) spin kick in Suspicions. Although I have a certain feeling that Gates' fighting abilities in Qpid might have been slightly hindered by the fact that she was over six months pregnant at the time. Just a thought...

 

[kozara]

Posted by Naraht:
"The Big Goodbye":
In the middle of a briefing, this.

Yowza! "Do you think it would cause a complete breakdown of discipline if the chief medical officer kissed a starship captain in the middle of a staff briefing?"
"Let's try."

I'd love more. Like what are S3 P/C moments besides Allegiance? Were the writers (Richard Manning and Hans Beimler) playing with our emotions like the doppelganger there or retrieving something nearly forgotten?

With the ending, Dr. Crusher looking forward to filing her report, I wonder if it's a coincidence that the next episode is "Looking for Riker's Horga'hn in all the Wrong Places," or Captain's Holiday. Having to be unattached for ratings.

Posted by Naraht:
I'm not saying that it's over as in over for good. Obviously there is still a major attraction there, even if they're both denying it, which is ready to flower at just the right moment. (That is, during the TNG movies, if only they had been done correctly!)

Did TPTB think that two movie romances would be too much? They didn't even let Picard kiss the Girl of the Week for some odd reason.

It'd be natural for him to think about Bev and family after losing his brother and nephew in Generations. Hurt/comfort and friendship.

Come to think of it, how much do you think he shared with Beverly about his time as Kamin, his lifetime as a husband and father? Beverly was surprised and a little sad that he played a duet with Neela Darren. Maybe Picard played his flute for Beverly and shared its deep meaning, but she didn't go the extra step of trying to duet with him? Instead he has to duet with the computer. (She can tapdance and runs the shipboard community theatre. I'd think she could belt out a tune.)