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Overpopulated areas and how to solve the issue

I really hate it how people forget that there are animals who have homes on this planet as well.

People just need to piss off with having so many kids. Two kids should be fine but no, people have to go and have 8-16 kids and try to get on TV. There are people in my building who have 5-6 kids. What the hell for? Have two kids, they'll keep each other occupied. There really is no need to have more kids.

Animals are losing their homes because of stupid people.

There is no need for insults (if that was your intention).
I am not suggesting 'indefinite expansion' and to discard everything else ... just expansion to encompass the suburban areas, develop them to the level of cities, then also bring all of the tech to the 21st century standards (since we are about 30 to 50 years behind anyway) and eliminate the so called 'over-population' issue people are complaining about in areas where this is an issue.
Population control needs to be implemented by all means as well if we want to preserve aspects of nature.
I am certainly not blind to the fact that people are having too many kids as it is, and this need to be addressed especially since the animals you mention are experiencing problems due to us.

On the other hand, as sad as it may be, people are bound to disturb natural habitats of animals in one way or the other.
This has been happening since we started out as a species and develop technology which we use to adapt the environment for our use.
 
I really hate it how people forget that there are animals who have homes on this planet as well.

People just need to piss off with having so many kids. Two kids should be fine but no, people have to go and have 8-16 kids and try to get on TV. There are people in my building who have 5-6 kids. What the hell for? Have two kids, they'll keep each other occupied. There really is no need to have more kids.

Animals are losing their homes because of stupid people.

There is no need for insults (if that was your intention).
I am not suggesting 'indefinite expansion' and to discard everything else ... just expansion to encompass the suburban areas, develop them to the level of cities, then also bring all of the tech to the 21st century standards (since we are about 30 to 50 years behind anyway) and eliminate the so called 'over-population' issue people are complaining about in areas where this is an issue.
Population control needs to be implemented by all means as well if we want to preserve aspects of nature.
I am certainly not blind to the fact that people are having too many kids as it is, and this need to be addressed especially since the animals you mention are experiencing problems due to us.

On the other hand, as sad as it may be, people are bound to disturb natural habitats of animals in one way or the other.
This has been happening since we started out as a species and develop technology which we use to adapt the environment for our use.


*sigh* what is it with people and assuming that every single time I post, I am insulting them? Honestly, point out the part where I was apparently insulting you because I fail to see it. All I did was make a point that people tend to forget that there are animals in the world who are rapidly losing their homes because people build houses everywhere to accommodate for the population. People are having a lot of kids and I don't see a point to having so many when there are plenty of kids already on this planet who need to be adopted. I know everyone has a joy to have their own kids but I don't see how it could be so bad to even have one kid of your own and then adopt a second one instead of having a bunch of kids.
 
I was unsure if you were trying to insult me or not 'Kirk's Tights' (see the content in brackets) but the reason on why I considered that possibility was because of the 'stupid people' bit that prompted questions.

In any event, I was suggesting making a far better use of areas that we already inhabit to take care of the 'over-population' problem.
As I said ... the issue is how some people tend to think that certain cities cannot support their present populations which is why I suggested modernization of technology (very crucial), creation of new jobs, structures and also industrializing suburban areas (or effectively areas that humans already inhabit) connecting them with the city in a far better way and make them as developed as a city.

I don't see the problem in those aspects ... but I also agree that going beyond 2 kids as you yourself stated is pointless and that there should be more sensibility in terms of how many kids each family has.
However, I was mostly referring to the 'overpopulation' that is occurring from existing pool of people coming to cities that are apparently 'filled to capacity' and not the newborns.

Cities aren't overpopulated in the sense that there's not enough places for people to live, work, etc. Even your OP cites racist bullshit about how its the immigrants' faults. I'd say it's a dog whistle for anti-immigrant/minority sentiment if anything.

I only cited the racist stupidity in the OP about how it's immigrants faults to further emphasize the stupidity of the entire claim.
Which begs the question if certain economies like the ones here in UK rely on immigrants to help it out, why spout such xenophobic nonsense?
Then again, that's almost the same as asking why do people complain about anything.


I agree, but I don't think expanding cities is the best option. Increasing capacity of existing infrastructure in the cities and their inner suburbs is a good idea, but we certainly don't need to be spreading out more.
Well that's what I was aiming more in the latest posts ... to utilize already settled areas for example in a much better capacity.
But 'expansion' can be perceived in other ways, though was mostly thinking on not going beyond existing suburban areas.

All of those things have environmental impacts and use resources. Modern factory farming techniques, for example are extremely damaging in that they use massive amounts of clear cutting, pesticides, herbicides and create great mountains of waste.
Agreed, then shouldn't the government or we as a society be responsible to utilize the waste in question for recycling purposes if possible?
I think that numerous theories and small scale practical applications were demonstrated, but never implemented on a larger scale.

Examples?
The best example would be in IT.
If you take a look at what Nvidia has been doing for the past several years ... they've effectively been recycling their existing technology by simply shrinking down the manuf. process and overclocking the cards, then mess up the naming scheme in order to fool people into thinking they are getting something great, when in fact they are not and sell the tech at premium prices.
Intel did the same thing with the Core2Duo cpu's and Montevina chipset ... effectively recycling old tech on a smaller manuf. process, creating a lower power requirement for P series cpu's, while the speeds remained practically identical to the previous T series and resulted in not so much of a drastic decline in temp. emissions (while the upgrades on manuf. websites from one cpu to the other ranges in hundreds of $ for only few hundred Mhz speed) while still slapping large prices on the products in question.

SSD's are another example.
They are actually a perfect candidate to replace the HDD technology as we know it since they offer no moving parts that can easily be damaged like in a HDD (which we've been using for a LONG time now, effectively reducing the internal tech to improve the speeds/efficiency/space) but still haven't replaced them altogether primarily due to space on them being limited for now and premium prices on SSD's that have a low storage capacity.
Intel made a new SSD on a 32nm manuf. process recently of 256GB size, and despite their claim that it's price as a result is by around 30% (or slightly more) cheaper, it continues to remain a pricey component.

Numerous laptop or desktop high end cpu's NEVER come down in price actually.

How does expanding cities in the developed world address the problem of uneven resource distribution?
I was addressing a different problem not directly connected to expanding or improving existing infrastructure of cities.

Resources aren't especially scarce, with the exception of water and arable land in certain parts of the world. What they are, is finite and damageable. Higher population density and use of existing infrastructure reduces the amount of those resources used for transportation, construction, extension of utilities, public spending for delivery of services, etc. It reduces damage as it allows a greater portion of the land to remain unused and to therefore do its job ecologically.

True ... then again, the lack of speedy technological progression, not to mention it's complete non-existence in certain parts of the world didn't/don't make things easier either.
I agree that higher population increases demands for resources, but at the same time, our tech is far from being on par when it comes to the early 21st century to begin with, so that plays a large role as well in us needing to borrow more from natural resources instead of less.
 
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The most effective solution for overpopulation would be neutron bombs, IMO.

Relatively cheap, comparatively non-harmful to the planet as a whole and decidedly effective. I'll second the votre-as long as we use them on THEM and not US!;)
 
I don't see the elimination of money as unrealistic.
Perhaps hard to achieve due to people being indoctrinated to think that society cannot function in any different way, but I definitely disagree on it being 'impossible'.

So do I. Unfortunately, you and I are in the minority here. Eliminating money would solve 99% of the world's problems, but it would create others. For one thing, people would be hamstrung as to how to operate without it. Of course we could all go on the barter system, but that wouldn't work either since it simply another form of paying for services.

Bottom line: eliminating money would require EVERYBODY to become altruistic, and while that would be simple enough for some, most of the world simply doesn't think that way.

It's even possible that, given human nature, eliminating money could lead to a war of some kind.

A money less society is a no-go. You need to pay people to get the work done. That's the motivation. You take the motivation away and the work doesn't get done. In general, people won't work without compensation. As RandyS says, everyone would have to become altruistic. That's not going to happen. Now, I agree that it would probably be better in a money-less/altruistic society but the odds of that happen are zero.

Mr Awe
 
Why is there a premise that EVERYONE want money as means of motivation to get the work done?
Besides, the only reason money became an incentive to finish something is because otherwise you risk losing the ability to survive in society.
Oh I agree that that for some people money symbolizes power, and in other instances greed for power can become a motivation in itself for individuals who easily succumb to those ideas.

But there is such a thing as people working in areas they enjoy for absolutely free.
Take me for example ... even though installation of OS, their cleanup/setup is not something I would like to do all the time, I still enjoy doing it ... and while I did get some money out of it (on the people's own choosing) I initially did it for free, not expecting money in return.

I even made numerous images in 3d art in which I invested a lot of time and effort ... and again I gave them away for free.
Because I wanted to.

There are numerous people in the world who are not motivated by money to do something.

Your apparent assumption that everyone would stop working if you take away money and everyone had basic material needs for this day and age met is not realistic.
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who don't work have a tendency in engaging in activity that is just as productive as it would be if they were employed.

I think there's a good possibility that most of the population would go stir crazy if they had absolutely nothing to do but sit in front of the TV and munch on chips (which is a stupid generalization to begin with).
I personally cannot stand TV, and I prefer either working on my laptop most of the time and do something constructive (like looking for a job, providing computer advice for people and developing artistic ideas for something new) compared to absolutely nothing.
 
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Why is there a premise that EVERYONE want money as means of motivation to get the work done?

If you notice, I didn't say everyone. But, for most people, they need the motivation to do work. On a societal scale, a sufficient amount of work to keep the society running won't happen unless people are financially compensated for the work. It's a simple and direct means of getting them to do the work. That's why it is ubiguitious! ;)

Now, if people suddenly became altruistic and extremely trusting (sure, I'll do the work for free and trust that some system will fairly dole out what I need & want) then that might change. I wouldn't hold your breath though.

Mr Awe
 
Why is there a premise that EVERYONE want money as means of motivation to get the work done?


Because without money, who is going to clean the toilets? You?

A moneyless society is basically what one would call a true communism. Communism does not work at our level of technology because no one is going to volunteer for menial jobs such as garbage man, sewage treatment employee, etc. Once we have technology advanced enough to eliminate menial jobs and resource scarcity, then you can start thinking about a society where individuals do basically what they want. Until then someone has to take care of shit (toilet cleaner).

You're also missing the point that capitalism is a great motivation for technological advance. People are always trying to invent the next big thing to get rich on. Look how far behind the USSR fell to the USA in technological capability. (not counting technologies they gained through espionage)
 
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