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OT: Non-Trek Tie Ins discussion thread

Your welcome. :bolian:
I'm really looking forward to the movie and the books.
I don't know if you're in the know when it comes to the DC movie novels, but I was wondering, is there a reason why Batman v Superman is the only one of the recent DC movies not to get a novelization?
All three of the Nolan movies, Man of Steel, Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman all have gotten novels, but there isn't one for BvS.
EDIT: I just remembered a Planet of the Apes related question I've been meaning to ask @Greg Cox, @Dayton War, and @JJM. How hard would the stories in Tales from the Forbidden Zone be to follow for someone who's only seen the first two original movies, and has a passing familiarity with the rest of them? Can I read it now, or should I wait to read it after I've at least seen the rest of the original movies?
 
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JD said:
I just remembered a Planet of the Apes related question I've been meaning to ask @Greg Cox, @Dayton War, and @JJM. How hard would the stories in Tales from the Forbidden Zone be to follow for someone who's only seen the first two original movies, and has a passing familiarity with the rest of them? Can I read it now, or should I wait to read it after I've at least seen the rest of the original movies?
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I think you mean @Dayton Ward and @JJMiller.
 
Honestly, I have no idea why Batman vs. Superman didn't get a novelization. I never pressed Titan for an explanation, which was none of my business. In the meantime, I hear that Nancy Holder is doing the novelization for Wonder Woman.

As for the Apes anthology . . . it depends on the story. Some of the stories do reference the later movies and TV series, but not all of them. (Although I think there's only ones story that's based on the old Saturday morning cartoon.)
 
Ok. I might just wait then. I've been planning on going through all of the movies sometime soon, so it'll just be a matter of when I get to the book. I would have been curious about it no matter what, but knowing you, Dayton, and JJM have stories in it makes me a bit more anxious to check it out. I just checked the list again, and I've also read and enjoyed stuff from Kevin J. Anderson, Paul Kupperberg, and Robert Greenberger, so it turns out I have even more reason to be interested than I originally thought.
Hmm, I just found another PotA book from Titan on Amazon, Death of the Planet of the Apes by EG Gaska. There's no description or anything, so I have no idea if this is a new or old, or which version of PotA it's connected too.
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I think you mean @Dayton Ward and @JJMiller.
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Oops, yeah I was in a hurry as I left for work, so I didn't notice my errors. Thanks.
Greg Cox said:
Honestly, I have no idea why Batman vs. Superman didn't get a novelization. I never pressed Titan for an explanation, which was none of my business. In the meantime, I hear that Nancy Holder is doing the novelization for Wonder Woman.
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I wasn't sure if you would know about BvS, but I just thought I'd ask since you wrote two of the DC novelizations right before it.
 
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Hmm, I just found another PotA book from Titan on Amazon, Death of the Planet of the Apes by EG Gaska. There's no description or anything, so I have no idea if this is a new or old, or which version of PotA it's connected too..
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I believe Death is a sequel to Gaska's previous APES novel, Conspiracy on the Planet of the Apes, which was based on classic POTA and set around the time of the first two movies.
 
Oh, OK good to know. I saw Conspiracy when I was looking through the PotA stuff on Amazon the other day, but thought it was another Boom! Studios comic. I didn't really pay much attention to it when I saw it was only available through third parties.
 
JD said:
Oh, OK good to know. I saw Conspiracy when I was looking through the PotA stuff on Amazon the other day, but thought it was another Boom! Studios comic. I didn't really pay much attention to it when I saw it was only available through third parties.
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It's lavishly illustrated, but it's a prose novel that, among other things, explains how Milo managed to salvage Taylor's ship in time for he and Zira and Cornelius to ESCAPE later on.

Andrew traded me an autographed copy in exchange for an autographed copy of my GODZILLA book a few years back! :)
 
JD said:
So is the lack of tie ins for the original NCIS due to Bellisario's rule against tie ins? I don't remember the details, but I remember somebody saying Bellisario refused to allow tie ins to his shows after he was unhappy with some Quantum Leap books.
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I wonder if those were the Ashley McConnell novels. I actually thought they handled the series' core concepts more intelligently than the show itself did.
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I was pretty disappointed by how little the McConnell novels jibed with the show. Maybe stuff like whether Sam's body or spirit was leaping through time wasn't very clear when McConnell was writing her books, but it was sure clear by the time they were published.
 
Greg Cox said:
It's lavishly illustrated, but it's a prose novel that, among other things, explains how Milo managed to salvage Taylor's ship in time for he and Zira and Cornelius to ESCAPE later on.
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There'd have to be rather more than salvage involved. That thing wasn't designed or equipped to launch out of a gravity well on its own, so this preindustrial ape civilization would've also needed to devise the means to build the equivalent of a Saturn rocket, its gantry and launch facility, the vehicles and machinery to move it into place, the refineries to make its fuel, etc. It's completely nonsensical. Not that the filmmakers really had much choice -- they were trying to make a sequel to a film that was pretty much sequel-proof, so they had to make a pretty huge retcon. Really, none of the first four films were intended to have sequels, so every film after the first had to retcon something to enable it to exist at all. But the contrivance of the salvaged and relaunched space capsule is so enormously absurd that I'd be amazed if there were any way to make any real sense of it.
 
I heard that Bellisario's unhappiness with some of the Quantum Leap novels was compounded by further dissatisfaction with the JAG novels that came out during that show's run. In fairness, they didn't really reflect the tone of the show that well.

I'm still bummed that there were never NCIS "original recipe" novels. I would've loved a chance to do one. :)
 
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There'd have to be rather more than salvage involved. That thing wasn't designed or equipped to launch out of a gravity well on its own, so this preindustrial ape civilization would've also needed to devise the means to build the equivalent of a Saturn rocket, its gantry and launch facility, the vehicles and machinery to move it into place, the refineries to make its fuel, etc. It's completely nonsensical. Not that the filmmakers really had much choice -- they were trying to make a sequel to a film that was pretty much sequel-proof, so they had to make a pretty huge retcon. Really, none of the first four films were intended to have sequels, so every film after the first had to retcon something to enable it to exist at all. But the contrivance of the salvaged and relaunched space capsule is so enormously absurd that I'd be amazed if there were any way to make any real sense of it.
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There's another story in the new anthology, "Milo's Tale" by Ty Templeton, that offers another explanation: that Milo was actually from a separate, more technologically advanced ape culture very different from the one seen in the movie . . . .
 
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Dayton Ward said:
I heard that Bellisario's unhappiness with some of the Quantum Leap novels was compounded by further dissatisfaction with the JAG novels that came out during that show's run. In fairness, they didn't really reflect the tone of the show that well.
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I actually preferred Ashley McConnell's version of certain things about QL to the show's version. There were significant difference between the two, and McConnell's were more coherent. She assumed that only Sam's mind was leaping into people's bodies, which explains how their clothes could fit him and so forth. And she explored Project Quantum Leap's team members and the way the present was affected by Sam's changes in the past much more fully than the show ever bothered to do.


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There's another story in the new anthology, "Milo's Tale" by Ty Templeton, that offers another explanation: that Milo was actually from a different, more technologically advanced ape culture very different from the one seen in the movie . . . .
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Wow, that's a pretty huge retcon in itself. Ape-lantis, perhaps? ;)

Although now that I think about it, it's not so implausible. The movies' ape culture was preindustrial and insular; maybe they hadn't made any sea voyages to other continents and were out of contact with the more advanced ape civilization elsewhere. Although the question of why that more advanced culture didn't make contact with them would remain.

Heck, this would almost allow reconciling the animated series with its ape civilization at a 20th-century tech level. Except that civilization had its own Dr. Zaius, Cornelius, and Zira, which would be a hell of a coincidence.
 
Well, Ape City in the movie was on the fringes of Forbidden Zone. I think the implication in that story was that the Milo's people had regarded that whole region as a wasteland and he was surprised to discover that there was a more primitive ape culture living beyond it . . ..

A lot of the stories in the collection are very adventurous in going beyond what was established in the movies: different ape species, alternate histories, etc. Mine is actually one of the more "traditional" ones.
 
Greg Cox said:
There's another story in the new anthology, "Milo's Tale" by Ty Templeton, that offers another explanation: that Milo was actually from a different, more technologically advanced ape culture very different from the one seen in the movie . . . .
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Christopher said:
Wow, that's a pretty huge retcon in itself. Ape-lantis, perhaps? ;)

Although now that I think about it, it's not so implausible. The movies' ape culture was preindustrial and insular; maybe they hadn't made any sea voyages to other continents and were out of contact with the more advanced ape civilization elsewhere. Although the question of why that more advanced culture didn't make contact with them would remain.

Heck, this would almost allow reconciling the animated series with its ape civilization at a 20th-century tech level. Except that civilization had its own Dr. Zaius, Cornelius, and Zira, which would be a hell of a coincidence.
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That's a pretty interesting idea. Watching the first two movies I did wonder what Ape societies were like in places other than Ape City and it's surroundings we saw in those movies.
 
We've got a new, short description for the War for the Planet of the Apes prequel novel, Revelations:
Driven from their woodland home, Caesar and his apes are still recovering from the takeover by renegade ape Koba. Caesar is desperate to avoid war with the humans, but this is a faint hope, as his enemies are about to receive military reinforcements headed by the ruthless Colonel McCullough.
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I'm assuming McCullough is Woody Harrelson's character.
I saw a couple of other Apes things today that might be of interest:
Abrams ComicArts released Planet of the Apes: The Original Topps Trading Cards today. It's a book featuring photos of trading cards Topps did for the original movie, the live action TV series, and the Tim Burton movie. They've also done some similar books for Star Wars, Volume One, Volume Two: The Empire Strikes Back, Volume Three: Return of the Jedi, Widevision, and a Sticker Book. They also did one for the original Star Trek series, which according to Amazon is written by regular Trek non-fiction writers Paula M. Block and Terry J. Erdman.
Starting in August Dynamite will begin releasing collections of old PotA comics, beginning with PotA Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the Apes, which collects DC's comics and is coming out in August. They'll be a second volume collecting Marvel's comics coming out in December. According to the description, the comics in Volume Two have never been collected before.
 
Terror on the Planet of the Apes is also from Marvel, which published several original one-shot and ongoing Apes stories in magazine format back in the 1970s, alongside their comic adaptations of the five films. This will be the first time since their original publication that they've been collected/reprinted. There was an attempt to reprint Terror in the early 1990s, but it died out after a couple of issues.
 
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