Orci on Start Trek, timelines, canon and everything (SPOILERS)

[Ovation]

lawman, just for future reference there is an "Edit" button on your posts
so you don't have to post multiple times in a row.

Matter of taste. When I'm playing catch-up in a thread, I suppose I could build up one big long post responding to different posters on varying topics, but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter. Obviously, YMMV.

Just know (though it varies from forum to forum on how strictly enforced it is) that three or more consecutive posts from the same poster can be warned as spamming.

 

[trekkerguy]

but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter.

Not for most readers no. It's easier to see the one post under your name and
get all of your points in that one post. And it's not usually good form in general.

 

[Qonos]

lawman, just for future reference there is an "Edit" button on your posts
so you don't have to post multiple times in a row.

Matter of taste. When I'm playing catch-up in a thread, I suppose I could build up one big long post responding to different posters on varying topics, but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter. Obviously, YMMV.

Just know (though it varies from forum to forum on how strictly enforced it is) that three or more consecutive posts from the same poster can be warned as spamming.

I can vouch for that M'Sharak has told me a couple of times to use the Multi-quote. I didn't get warned because I was new. Be careful man

 

[M'Sharak]

Honestly, I wasn't going to get too excited about it, just this once. lawman's posts were all substantial and non-spamiferous, but yeah, board policy encourages that posters generally refrain from posting more than twice in a row in a given thread. With Multi-Quote, combining several responses has now been made much easier and refreshingly free of cut-and-paste tedium.

 

[number6]

Honestly, I wasn't going to get too excited about it, just this once. lawman's posts were all substantial and non-spamiferous, but yeah, board policy encourages that posters generally refrain from posting more than twice in a row in a given thread. With Multi-Quote, combining several responses has now been made much easier and refreshingly free of cut-and-paste tedium.

Looks like some posters are after your job.

 

[Woulfe]

What is needed here is a computer flow chart to 'show' how this works.

Like the one that was done by Starlog after the first Back To The Future film, starting at 1955 and ending at 1985 showing how things flowed in the two time lines that sat side by side during the film's history.

Something like this.....

Subject A time travels to the past....
Did they change anything ?

No - Things happen as they happened as they were told they happened.

Yes - Things happened as they happened but not in the same way they were told that they happened.

Sample.

Marty goes back in time to 1955, but doesn't interact with anyone but Doc Brown in that time period and as a direct result the following happens....

Marty's dad is hit by the car his Mom's dad is driving....
His dad is then taken to his mom's home at the time.....
She falls in love with him right there and then....
They end up going to the dance together where they kiss for the first time....

~ OR ~

Marty goes back in time to 1955, but interacts with practically everybody in that time period....

Marty is now hit by his grand dad's car instead of his dad getting hit by it.
( you know the rest as that is what the film showed us )

This can be done with pretty much any time travel story out there as long as the 'original' events are told to us early on and we can piece together what was changed as presented to us in the film.

Or in the case of the new film we know Trek's back story going in, however the events will follow the did so and so go back in time and interact with ANYBODY, pick someone anyone in Trek's past, doesn't even have to directly related to Kirk at all.

For all we know Nero just picked The Kelvin because that's where the rift in Time / Space placed him at, so it was just coincidental that Kirk's parents are there at the time, we don't know becuse we haven't seen the film yet.

We can speculate 'till the cows come home, but we won't really know 'till we see it for ourselves, and then and only then can we come up with a theory as well as a time flow chart of events.

Just like Starlog did AFTER everyone had allready seen Back To The Future part 1.
(Yes, I know at the time they did that there wasn't any part 2 & 3 yet.)

 

[Psion]

lawman, just for future reference there is an "Edit" button on your posts
so you don't have to post multiple times in a row.

Matter of taste. When I'm playing catch-up in a thread, I suppose I could build up one big long post responding to different posters on varying topics, but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter. Obviously, YMMV.

I tend to agree, but there seems to be a bizarre tradition of "one post at a time per customer" around here. And I think that it's codified into the board rules someplace that three or more posts in a row are considered "spamming". While that sounds ridiculous, I'm sure it's in response to someone abusing the boards in some heinous manner.


EDIT: Awwww, crap! Once again, I commented at the bottom of the page, NOT the bottom of the thread. I hate when I miss the indications that there are more posts on the next page. Sorry, folks, Psion over dosed on his stupid pills again!

 

[lawman]

Duly noted. It's never really been something anyone cares about on the various other boards I frequent more, umm, frequently than this one, but I'll keep the local etiquette in mind.

 

[trekkerguy]

Honestly, I wasn't going to get too excited about it, just this once. lawman's posts were all substantial and non-spamiferous, but yeah, board policy encourages that posters generally refrain from posting more than twice in a row in a given thread. With Multi-Quote, combining several responses has now been made much easier and refreshingly free of cut-and-paste tedium.

Looks like some posters are after your job.

Haha sure.

I tend to agree, but there seems to be a bizarre tradition of "one post at a time per customer" around here. And I think that it's codified into the board rules someplace that three or more posts in a row are considered "spamming". While that sounds ridiculous, I'm sure it's in response to someone abusing the boards in some heinous manner.

Or simply because there are tools to streamline it all and keep the pages alot less cluttered.

 

[btflash]

lawman, just for future reference there is an "Edit" button on your posts
so you don't have to post multiple times in a row.

Matter of taste. When I'm playing catch-up in a thread, I suppose I could build up one big long post responding to different posters on varying topics, but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter. Obviously, YMMV.

what ? you violated the rules? the sky is falling, the sky is falling! its the end of the world as we know it! better watch out .... big brother is watching you.

 

[trekkerguy]

lawman, just for future reference there is an "Edit" button on your posts
so you don't have to post multiple times in a row.

Matter of taste. When I'm playing catch-up in a thread, I suppose I could build up one big long post responding to different posters on varying topics, but it's usually easier (for me, and I'd imagine for readers) just to keep them all separate and shorter. Obviously, YMMV.

what ? you violated the rules? the sky is falling, the sky is falling! its the end of the world as we know it! better watch out .... big brother is watching you.

Ok... I didn't mention it because of rules, it just makes it easier to read a thread without it being cluttered by multiple posts by the same poster.

 

[EJA]

Just wondering, what events from the original Trek universe should still occur in Abrams' new version? Myself, I would definitely include mostly everything up to the first couple of movies (excluding Spock's Brain, of course ).

 

[Psion]

Just wondering, what events from the original Trek universe should still occur in Abrams' new version? Myself, I would definitely include mostly everything up to the first couple of movies (excluding Spock's Brain, of course ).

The Doomsday machine is still out there, so who knows what it winds up doing since we're not clear on what the U.S.S. Constellation would be doing when they were supposed to meet. But the destruction of the U.S.S. Intrepid by a giant space amoeba might not happen. And the Enterprise might not encounter Nomad or even the Botany Bay. Kirk probably never had a "little blonde lab technician" thrown at him, so it's doubtful the events surrounding Carol Marcus and the Genesis project in Wrath of Khan happened the way we know them. Especially if Khan's ship was never found anyway. That means Spock didn't die. And the new Enterprise wouldn't get destroyed trying to rescue him (damn). This impacts the events surrounding "The Voyage Home" and probably decreases the chance of saving the Earth from the giant Whale probe with the help of two whales from the 20th Century. Which means George and Gracie stay where they were and just might reproduce enough to keep sperm whales from going extinct. Which means that the Whale probe doesn't destroy the Earth (phew!), but no one has a clue what it was up to when it comes, blasts the planet's oceans with a signal, then moves on, leaving incapacitated starships in its wake. Oh ... but wait. V'ger got here first, wiping out all the carbon-based units infesting the Earth (damn!), which might be bad news for V'ger if it hangs around waiting for God when the Whale probe shows up ten years later.

And ... since it's less likely the events depicted in "City on the Edge of Forever" happened the way we remember, it's quite likely Kirk never encountered Edith Keeler, which means she was never distracted one evening while crossing the street, so she never got hit by a truck. She went on to create a far-ranging peace movement which delayed the United States of America from entering World War II, giving Hitler the time he needed to create the atomic bomb.

Oh. This sucks.

This movie's really bad news!

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...And ... since it's less likely the events depicted in "City on the Edge of Forever" happened the way we remember, it's quite likely Kirk never encountered Edith Keeler, which means she was never distracted one evening while crossing the street, so she never got hit by a truck. She went on to create a far-ranging peace movement which delayed the United States of America from entering World War II, giving Hitler the time he needed to create the atomic bomb.

Oh. This sucks.

This movie's really bad news!

No...She DOES die if Kirk is not there...

If your saying there's no Kirk there (I suppose your saying this because the Enterprise never goes to the Guardian Planet), then there is also no McCoy there to prevent her from getting killed -- most likely by the truck.

- She originally died in the unaltered timeline probably because she got hit by a truck (although we never found out for sure).
- She ended up living in the altered timeline because McCoy did something to save her (again, it most likely had something to do with that truck).
- Kirk restored the timeline by (presumadly) preventing McCoy from saving her from the "inevitable" truck accident.

I have a headache.

 

[M'Sharak]

Humpbacks.

 

[Gepard]

No...She DOES die if Kirk is not there...

If your saying there's no Kirk there (I suppose your saying this because the Enterprise never goes to the Guardian Planet), then there is also no McCoy there to prevent her from getting killed -- most likely by the truck.

- She originally died in the unaltered timeline probably because she got hit by a truck (although we never found out for sure).
- She ended up living in the altered timeline because McCoy did something to save her (again, it most likely had something to do with that truck).
- Kirk restored the timeline by (presumadly) preventing McCoy from saving her from the "inevitable" truck accident.

I have a headache.

Psion's point is that Keeler actually made it all the way across the street unharmed before Kirk and McCoy fighting caused her to turn around and head back, when she then got hit by a truck. So, paradoxically, if McCoy and Kirk had never traveled back in time, she would have had no reason to dart into the middle of traffic in the first place.

 

[trekkerguy]

Humpbacks.

Humpback... people?

 

[M'Sharak]

Whales. George and Gracie were humpbacks (which are known for their singing.)

 

[Psion]

Elf Malakai's got it.

Humpbacks.

Wow. You're right.

I must have had sperm on my mind for some reason.


[long pause]


Wait. That came out wrong.

 

[M'Sharak]

This has been an obligatory nitpick. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled timeline, already in progress.