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One thing that annoys me in Voyager...
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Isn't it about finding the balance between closure and leaving things open? The goal of people on VOY was to get home to their loved ones, it's not unreasonable for viewers or a portion of viewers to want to see their reunions.
I don't think it's unreasonable either.
It's not unreasonable. I just don't agree with the reasoning.
First of all, I don't think the reunions would be good drama. Second of all, I agree with Harry Kim in "Endgame." It's not about the goal or destination. It's about the journey. If that's true of the characters who we pretend are actually experiencing the journey, it's even more true about us as viewers of the show.
First of all, I don't think the reunions would be good drama. Second of all, I agree with Harry Kim in "Endgame." It's not about the goal or destination. It's about the journey. If that's true of the characters who we pretend are actually experiencing the journey, it's even more true about us as viewers of the show.
Honestly, they could have cut five minutes of crap from the episode to put a five minute sequence at the end when we would see the main characters get together with their loved ones. I could have dispensed with the chak/seven lovey-dovey scenes for example.
And I'm glad they didn't, because I think five minutes of reunion would have watered down the ending and weakened the episode. To use a parlance with which you and Dr. McCoy would be familiar, the five minutes of reunion would be the crap, in my opinion.
Different people want and like to see different things on television, and that's cool. I'm just trying to clarify my own position. It's not that I don't think there was time for reunion scenes. I think the writers would have weakened the show by making time for reunion scenes.
Different people want and like to see different things on television, and that's cool. I'm just trying to clarify my own position. It's not that I don't think there was time for reunion scenes. I think the writers would have weakened the show by making time for reunion scenes.
So if it's about the journey, why decide to cheat and get home 16 years earlier? So much for the journey.
Has it been mentioned yet that Janeway went back in time to that exact moment to kill two birds with one stone? Meaning get them home plus destroy the borg? It's less crewmen and it means BS to the "safe my family" crap but it seems very likely that was her intent. Save the senior staff and kill the queen=win for her.
VOY should've let Chakotay have a regular girlfriend on the show - other than Seska. Having him on short rations, same as Harry Kim, did not aggrandise the character, nor did Chakotay's persistent crush on Janeway. He was her solid XO and that should've been the extent of his interest in her, knowing that Mulgrew's views on that.
Kellin would've been sweet, except I did hate her ears, though. Like B'Elanna, her latex features could've been inexplicably modified, as the show went on. Kellin didn't keep her hair in a very complimentary fashion, iether. So, she was a fixer-upper, perhaps, but a very workable one. It just wasn't in the cards. VOY liked us watching Chakotay sigh, every week, "oh, Kathryn ... my darling."
Kellin would've been sweet, except I did hate her ears, though. Like B'Elanna, her latex features could've been inexplicably modified, as the show went on. Kellin didn't keep her hair in a very complimentary fashion, iether. So, she was a fixer-upper, perhaps, but a very workable one. It just wasn't in the cards. VOY liked us watching Chakotay sigh, every week, "oh, Kathryn ... my darling."
Was that really meant to have been the series finale though? From what I understand, they did expect to have a series 5 and explain what happened. Futurama almost ended that way until the TV movies. Farscape too until the Peacekeeper Wars.
By the way, I'm laughing at all the 'what's Blake's 7?' comments. But then I was the same until recently about somebody called Mr Rogers.... who?
They found a shortcut and they used it. The journey would have been longer if they hadn't. The journey would have been even longer if they'd decided at the outset to take the long way round the Gamma Quadrant. The show is no less about the journey simply because the characters used a modicum of common sense about how they took it.
It's only about the journey.... except when it's not.
And from "Endgame"
KIM: I think it's safe to say that no one on this crew has been more obsessed with getting home than I have. But, when I think about everything we've been through together, maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey. And if that journey takes a little longer so we can do something we all believe in, I can't think of any place I'd rather be, or any people I'd rather be with.
So we have what appears to be a statement in support of continuing the journey for another 16 years.
If there is a series where statements of this sort are meaningless; this would be it.
Harry is saying they should prolong the journey 16 years (or however long it may take) rather than neglect an opportunity to destroy the transwarp hub. It's an either/or dilemma that the two Janeways eliminate when they find a way to both destroy the hub and to use the shortcut.
Obviously, Harry is not in favor of needlessly prolonging the journey once a better option is on the table. And it's silly to say that Harry doesn't value Voyager's necessary journey or that the series wasn't about Voyager's necessary journey just because neither Harry nor the show endorses a needless journey.
Obviously, Harry is not in favor of needlessly prolonging the journey once a better option is on the table. And it's silly to say that Harry doesn't value Voyager's necessary journey or that the series wasn't about Voyager's necessary journey just because neither Harry nor the show endorses a needless journey.
It's rather ironic that the series ended with an obvious deus ex machina whereas Janeway said in Worst Case Scenario that it was an obsolete plot device.
But Janeway could have gone back to the events in "Caretaker" and used the advanced weaponary of the shuttle to buy her younger self the time needed to activate the return mechanism on the array, how many of her crew lives would she have said then, sure there was a risk that some would be killed or injured activating the array but there was a risk some would be killed or injured trying to destroy the transwarp hub. But of course that early on they hadn't picked up Seven yet. Janeway's action where in part selfish because she lost friends along the way Seven and Tuvok in a way. So what if other people had lost friends/family in the seven years since arriving in the DQ and using the transwarp hub.
Speaking about the transwarp hub, it had an exit fairly close to Earth, so why didn't the Borg use it to send vessel or two (hundred) to assimilate Earth before Starfleet could react. Why not have the exit point somwhere near Ivor Prime for example.
Speaking about the transwarp hub, it had an exit fairly close to Earth, so why didn't the Borg use it to send vessel or two (hundred) to assimilate Earth before Starfleet could react. Why not have the exit point somwhere near Ivor Prime for example.
Well, apparently the Borg were so impressed by Data's order to sleep that caused the first cube to self-destruct that they no longer dare to send cubes to Earth. I know that doesn't make any sense but it's what it would seem. at this point in time one borg cube would have been enough to assimilate Earth and the federation and the borg have like a million of them but well, they are just freddy cats about it, regardless of the fact that the queen herself destroyed dozens of cubes in unimatrix zero....
Actually, the irony is at Janeway's expense, since the very episode employs a deus ex machina in the most literal sense of the term.
Of course.
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