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Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 1x02 till the bitter end

Well Regina knows that Emma is the key to removing the curse, but I still don't get the sense she knows Emma is Snow White's daughter (even though it's kinda painfully obvious).

And Rumple working the "you can't kill Emma" loophole into the curse makes sense as well, because that would be the FIRST and most obvious thing Regina would do. All his hard work would be for nothing.
 
Gotta say, I'm really loving the way Regina and Gold are just talking out in the open about the curse now. He's even taken to calling people "Deary" again.

As for what lies ahead, it seems more and more likely Emma or someone else is going to wind up trapped in fairy land. If not in the finale, then at SOME point in the future. It's just too awesome of an idea not to do.
 
She wove the hearts and minds of a static city frozen in time town where no one left and no one grew or changed by just persisted in a never ending state of misery... UNTIL EMMA ARRIVED ACCORDING TO PROPHECY.

More importantly, if no one could leave, and nothing changed how the hell did Regina manage to adopt Henry form out of state if according to the curse, no one leaves and nothing changes and no one comes back...

The State checking in on an adopted baby that never grows?

They make sure everything's right in the beginning?

Or did they zap henry to 10 and stasis cap his ageing for the next ten years until...

Regina's father's name is Henry.

Emma isn't Snow Whites child, she's Reginas grandmother the Queen of Hearts from Wonderland.

This is just like the bate and switch in the first episode of how I met your mother with how they suggest for 22 minutes that Robin is the kids Mommy.

"Meh."

I wonder if the Winter Soldier (Bucky in the Comics played by Jefferson in the movie, was found in the ice by the Russians and programmed into being an assassin since the late sixi5ts put into cryofreeze between missions.) is going to be in the next Avengers movie?
 
Yay, the annoying kid is in a coma! Can he stay that way for all of next season? :rommie:

Probably not, here's my guess for next week. We have Jefferson's hat, back in action, just in time for the finale. But nobody can use it, because there's no more magic, except...Emma is magic enough to have created a hat (the same hat, I presume, unless Regina had another in storage, but same diff, she made a hat that worked) so it stands to reason that she's the only person who could use the hat without tossing in more trinkets, of which there are none to be found.

So! Regina learns to her horror that Henry ate the apple tart. The kid is a tad too young to be having any "true loves," so a kiss is out of the question. No doubt, Regina will remember some magical doodad that is The Only Thing That Can Save His Life.

Of course it's in Fairytale Land, probably owned by someone like Malificent who is powerful enough to be immune from Regina's curse and still living in her castle. Realizing nobody but Emma can use the hat, Regina scares the shit out of her by ranting about fairy tale lands and curses and telling her she needs to go jump into a hat.

Flummoxed at the notion that Regina, of all people, is now buying into the mass insanity gripping the town, and desperate enough over Henry to try anything, Emma accompanies Regina and maybe also Jefferson to the hat, where it senses her presence and starts spinning on its own. Emma says, what the hell, and jumps, lands flat on her ass in Fairytale Land, fade out, see ya in Sept.

Then Malificent will turn into a dragon (didn't someone say something about "awaking a sleeping dragon"?) and Emma will have to do battle for the doodad, but that won't happen till S2 so I'm getting way ahead of myself.

Since Emma has personal experience that Jefferson is known to drug people, his presence even gives the writers their wiggle room, to make Emma doubt whether what she experienced was real, if they want to keep dragging this shit out into next season.

PS, Why didn't Regina simply pretend that the apple tart was a new recipe and ask Emma for her opinion by giving her a bite right in the kitchen? Emma couldn't refuse - not to even sample someone's cooking is a BIG dis among girls, and they were trying to be friends, right? - and that would have ensured that Emma didn't just chuck the thing in the trash right after she left. (You don't keep a figure like that by porking out on apple tarts.) Regina was an idiot for not insisting on seeing Emma take a bite; at that point, it was inevitable that Henry would eat it instead.
I wonder if the Winter Soldier (Bucky in the Comics played by Jefferson in the movie, was found in the ice by the Russians and programmed into being an assassin since the late sixi5ts put into cryofreeze between missions.) is going to be in the next Avengers movie?
I say the Nazis got him instead, but you're onto something - as the First Rule of Science Fiction states, If you didn't see the body, they're not really dead.
 
So! Regina learns to her horror that Henry ate the apple tart. The kid is a tad too young to be having any "true loves," so a kiss is out of the question. No doubt, Regina will remember some magical doodad that is The Only Thing That Can Save His Life.
If Emma kissed him it would be a kiss of true love.
 
But caaareeeppppyyyy....

For that matter, I bet Regina's love for Henry is also "true." She's capable of true love, it's just that life has kicked her around and she's bitter. It would be a kick in Emma's butt if Regina's kiss woke Henry.
 
But caaareeeppppyyyy....

For that matter, I bet Regina's love for Henry is also "true." She's capable of true love, it's just that life has kicked her around and she's bitter. It would be a kick in Emma's butt if Regina's kiss woke Henry.
There's nothing creepy about a parent's love for their child.

I would think that Regina's feelings were more motivated by possessiveness, control, and jealousy, and wouldn't be analogous to true love. In the same way that infatuation and sexual desire aren't analogous to romantic true love. But that's me; the writer's may have something different in mind.
 
We have Jefferson's hat, back in action, just in time for the finale. But nobody can use it, because there's no more magic, except...Emma is magic enough to have created a hat (the same hat, I presume, unless Regina had another in storage, but same diff, she made a hat that worked) so it stands to reason that she's the only person who could use the hat without tossing in more trinkets, of which there are none to be found.
What about the stuff in the mine? And there seems to be plenty of Fairyland stuff in Gold's shop.
 
Just watched the latest episode. Pretty good, with some forward story progress. BUT... what the heck is the deal with Jefferson? How did he get back to Storybrooke from wherever he was trapped? How did Regina know that placing that card on his daughter's bike would reach him? It felt like there was a solid couple minute scene deleted that would have explained how Jefferson came back. And for the first time it felt like the writers were not merely playing coy with us, but rather that they just skipped a crucial story point. If Jefferson can travel between worlds that is pretty freaking important.

Either the writers messed up or something important got lost on the editing room floor.
 
Just watched the latest episode. Pretty good, with some forward story progress. BUT... what the heck is the deal with Jefferson? How did he get back to Storybrooke from wherever he was trapped? How did Regina know that placing that card on his daughter's bike would reach him? It felt like there was a solid couple minute scene deleted that would have explained how Jefferson came back. And for the first time it felt like the writers were not merely playing coy with us, but rather that they just skipped a crucial story point. If Jefferson can travel between worlds that is pretty freaking important.

Either the writers messed up or something important got lost on the editing room floor.
We already know Jefferson can travel between worlds. The reason he gets stuck in Storybrooke, is because there is no Magic. We can't be sure he actually left to another world in the hat after his first appearance, it's a damned good assumption, but we can't be positive, he may just have run off before Emma looked out the window (Yes, very unlikely). If he did actually escape Storybrooke through the hat after his appearance, it was most likely to a Magical world, which means he has Hat Transportation available from there, so he could come back to AStorybrooke (Or travel to 10 or more Magical Realms as much as he wants), but, once back to Storybrooke, he would be stuck again, since our world has no Magic, unless Regina could come up with enough magic for him to escape again to a Magical World, where he would be able to Hat Transport again as much as he wanted, as long as he stayed within Magical Realms.
 
He never left our world. Think about it. IF he had at the end of his previous episode and was watching his daughter from some other world, when Regina notified him and he came running to find out what she wanted, don't you think he would have brought some magic with him to power the hat since he knew it wouldn't work in storybrooke?
 
He never left our world. Think about it. IF he had at the end of his previous episode and was watching his daughter from some other world, when Regina notified him and he came running to find out what she wanted, don't you think he would have brought some magic with him to power the hat since he knew it wouldn't work in storybrooke?
Makes sense. I actually had it on last night, but, was distracted getting my computer back up and running, so I missed alot of the details, I've gotta watch it again. I was mostly going by his previous appearance, and catching stuff here and there of this week's episode.
 
I'm surprised no-one's made a pun about August's wooden acting ;)

It's gotten to the point where I'm hating when each episode ends.
 
Just watched the latest episode. Pretty good, with some forward story progress. BUT... what the heck is the deal with Jefferson? How did he get back to Storybrooke from wherever he was trapped? How did Regina know that placing that card on his daughter's bike would reach him?
It was mentioned that Jefferson keeps a sharp eye on his daughter. He watches her all the time so Regina knows that he'd notice the card.
 
Yes, I thought it was physically impossible for Jefferson to disappear so quickly after falling from an upper story. Especially when we next see him going mad trying to make a magic hat. I suppose that the final scene of Jefferson's appearance was merely a flashback to what happened to him after the Queen stranded him. Alice's visit occurred before the curse, which apparently took him out of Wonderland. I don't understand any of this. But then I don't understand how Emma couldn't find Jefferson in Storybrooke while he was still watching Paige/Grace. She must be a terrible sheriff.

I had concluded that Emma's claim of the superpower to identify lies was more or less a put on to Henry, an exaggeration of her ability to read character. I especially thought so after it seemed canon that only the Queen has magic in Storybrooke. But since I don't understand anything on this show, maybe it's real. Then we know by canon the Queen doesn't love Henry (a scene early in the series,) but Emma was willing to leave Henry with her by the end of the season. Did the Queen grow more affectionate or did Emma just think the Queen's intent not to actively harm Henry was good enough? Is that what a good mother would do, leave a child with someone you trust not to outright harm him?

Sidney's impelled by love but Jefferson works for the Queen because he's just a moron. Jefferson should die in the season finale because this show doesn't need idiots to propell the plot (shouldn't, anyhow.)

Regina keeps thinking that Henry is doing what he's told (directly responsible for neglecting to think of the apple turnover going astray.) Is this because she's too arrogant to think otherwise, or too stupid to figure it out? Since Regina doesn't love anybody (or even like them, apparently, getting horny doesn't count because horny women are EVIL, notice that Mary Margaret doesn't express any sexual interest in David, it's properly hidden in fan fantasy,) why would Henry's condition be a problem? Wouldn't his death be a possible one up on Mary Margaret/Snow White, particularly since taking Henry away from his grandmother isn't nearly as much fun when Granny Snow doesn't even remember this?

I thought that the scene where the Regina and Gold simultaneously talk about how killing Emma breaks the curse might have been meant to show Gold outright telling her and Regina being really quick on the uptake. But then, since Gold wants the curse broken, why wouldn't he have encouraged the Queen to kill Emma?

I understand nothing about this show. I thought I did, but obviously I don't. I suppose anything can happen and there's no point in thinking about it anymore.
 
He definitely has stuff from the other world, but maybe not every item has magic in it. But I'm pretty sure the stuff in the mine would.
 
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