Old Starlog Magazine Fan Designed Ship

[ahkyahnan]

Dayton3 said:
Hey Mark.

Didn't you design that group of Starfleet carriers that were featured in the Logbook?

Hi.

Yep! That was me. The first couple articles came from the 1st edition of my Federation Shuttlecarrier Comparison Chart blueprints/poster, and the last was initially a GEC exclusive, but then ended up being added to my 2nd edition. I also submitted the 2 articles on the Ships of the Delta Triangle. I think the last of those was in the very last issue.

That was a lot of fun and a great way to meet other "Treknologists" back when the internet was just kinda starting. Eric Kristiansen initially introduced me to the GEC, and then that's where I met Alex Rosenzweig who eventually became my partner in Federation Frontiers. And a number of other people too. Miss it sometimes.

I remember reading those last 2 articles of yours. Pretty insightful analysis as I recall, but it's been a long, long time since I've pulled out any of those issues. I should go back and do that sometime. I remember those titles very well though. I'm not sure if I read the first one you mentioned? I joined kinda near the end of the GEC and missed a lot of the earlier issues. Funny, but me and Eric were just talking about Roy a couple months ago, wondering where & how he was. Well I hope.

Mark

 

[ahkyahnan]

aridas sofia said:
With the Internet, the GEC or something similar would be much easier to do. In fact, that was one model I considered following for the FRS site, but got away from it because I thought there was greater interest in seeing material derived from the FRS and SotSF. I still was very interested in including fiction, tech articles, and graphics other than ship designs, however. Much as I understood were included in the GEC.

Well, there are still similarities between the two I guess, as others have submitted ship designs to your site besides yourself. It's just much more narrow is scope than the GEC, though much more in depth too, and sticks to a tighter sense of continuity. Otherwise they're not unlike each other in many ways. Like 'em both!

Mark

 

[Vance]

The issue with Statder's design isn't really the hull shape, it's just that obviously never really finished the drawing at all!

Okay, so maybe it's the hull shape...

 

[Christopher]

You know, that secondary hull keeps reminding me of this old brand of plastic air-freshener thingies that used to be around, just rotated 90 degrees. There was this bowl-shaped base with this tall rounded cone on top, and you lifted up the cone part to expose the stuff inside. I can't remember the brand name.

 

[Vance]

Looks like a recent 'back massager' to me, actually. But the design isn't without some merit, the 'engineering nacelle/deck isn't a bad idea.. but the arrangement is poor.

I might revisit this someday, but there's so much else to do...

The Solaris is interesting, and I might have to hammer that out too before the thread disappears.

 

[SonicRanger]

Still fugly.

 

[Dayton3]

Mysterion said:

Dayton3 said:

"The Ships of Wolf-359"

Have you put this on-line anywhere? Would love to read it.

Afraid not.

Perhaps I'll retype it in one of these forums.

It was really nothing great. Just list of ships at Wolf-359 mentioned onscreen with fan sources added on and finally, my own speculation.

Listed the ships, their class, how each ship was destroyed and the death toll from each vessel.

Made special notes ships that were lost with all hands,and those that were reported to have been salvaged by Starfleet later.

 

[Mysterion]

Dayton3 said:

Mysterion said:

Dayton3 said:

"The Ships of Wolf-359"

Have you put this on-line anywhere? Would love to read it.

Afraid not.

Perhaps I'll retype it in one of these forums.

It was really nothing great. Just list of ships at Wolf-359 mentioned onscreen with fan sources added on and finally, my own speculation.

Listed the ships, their class, how each ship was destroyed and the death toll from each vessel.

Made special notes ships that were lost with all hands,and those that were reported to have been salvaged by Starfleet later.

Fair 'nuff.

Let me ask you this, then: Some sources list USS Ahwahnee as being destroyed outright, other list it as having been salvaged and returned to service. What was your take in your article?

Thanks.

 

[Dukhat]

In "BoBW," Admiral Hansen stated that there were 40 starships en route to engage the Borg. In "The Drumhead," Admiral Satie stated that 39 ships were destroyed at Wolf 359. Therefore, one ship presumably escaped.

In "Redemption, Pt. II," the U.S.S. Ahwahnee was listed as one of the ships in Picard's tachyon grid. Althought the second number of the ship's registry is a 1 instead of a 3, it's supposed to be the same ship as the one in "BoBW." When we worked on the Wolf 359 project, Mike Okuda (or someone) mentioned something to the effect that the registry on the model was a mistake because it was too high for a ship of that class, and the registry in "Redemption" was the correct one. But it's supposed to be the same ship.

 

[Dayton3]

I put the U.S.S. Ahwahnee as having been salvaged IIRC.

 

[Mysterion]

^^^^^
Spiff. Thanks.

 

[Tigger]

Dukhat said:
In "BoBW," Admiral Hansen stated that there were 40 starships en route to engage the Borg. In "The Drumhead," Admiral Satie stated that 39 ships were destroyed at Wolf 359. Therefore, one ship presumably escaped.

Which makes sense as it would help explain how Sisko and the other escape pod survivors got back home. It also would explain why the Enterprise didn't find any(?) life-signs when she arrived as the survivors had already been collected by that final ship and were heading back.

 

[Dukhat]

I agree with your theory...but unfortunately the Ahwahnee was still in the graveyard when the Enterprise-D got there. I think the whole "no life-sign readings" thing when there were clearly escape pods launched is just one of those nits that can't be explained, unless the Borg attack did something to scramble the sensor readings, and the survivors made their way to the Ahwahnee (which obviously wasn't damaged enough to make it inoperable), and escaped after the Enterprise flew by.

 

[Tigger]

On the flip side, it is possible the Ahwahnee was not the "rescue ship". We only know of 13 other ships, plus the shuttle from the USS Liberator (NCC-67016) which appears in The Art of Star Trek.

That the Ahwahnee was salvaged could imply she was found to be not too damaged when the recovery teams went back to clean up the debris. She does look pretty good in the "Best of Both Worlds". But she might not have been classified as a "survivor" that motored off under her own power directly after the engagement.

 

[Solaris Breeze]

Thanks man, after being dormant since the mid '90s, this website and some others is inspiring me to get back in having starships in mind to design. c'ya around...

 

[sojourner]

GEEEAAAAAAH! ZOMBIE THREAD!! RUN!!!

 

[Wingsley]

Wow... whoever this guy is, really drove home the worst of the 'Trekkie' stereotypes in his article, didn't he? The pretension coupled with the nonsense-technobabble is hilarious.

So, please don't hold back, Vance. Tell us how you really feel...

 

[sojourner]

Dude, that post is nearly 2 years old.

 

[Unicron]

Agreed. I'm willing to perhaps let this resurface if there's some discussion on the original topic, but I'm not fond of stuff this old getting bumped.

 

[Forbin]

The ship design you're describing was submitted by Joe Statder of Florrisant, MO, who wanted to go for a design that "would look distinctly different from the 'ol [sic] 1701 and yet still reflect the same society and design perceptions of Starfleet."

Utterly and completely off-topic, but this reminds me that I've asked numerous editors where the notation "[sic]" comes from and what it stands for, and none of them had a clue. Any idea, Christopher?