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Of steam pipes and fork lifts.....

sojourner

sojourner

Admiral
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Anyone else feel the production team really dropped the ball at a few points? My suspension of disbelief was jarred when i saw the forklifts in that hanger sequence and the use of some generic industrial plant for "engineering". I mean come on, BSG used the "everyday items" conceit due to a lack of budget and as a way to frame the "they're just like us" aspects of the story. Star Trek doesnt have either of these excuses.

Other than that, the ship really comes into it's own seeing it in motion. They did an excellent job of finding her good angles.

I'll leave plot and characterization to other forums......
 
When I originally heard about the current tech in the film, I was slightly worried. However, when I say it in use in the film, it felt fine. Sort of like this era was the new hay-day of Earth, after being rebuilt after WWIII.
 
sojourner said:
Anyone else feel the production team really dropped the ball at a few points? My suspension of disbelief was jarred when i saw the forklifts in that hanger sequence and the use of some generic industrial plant for "engineering". I mean come on, BSG used the "everyday items" conceit due to a lack of budget and as a way to frame the "they're just like us" aspects of the story. Star Trek doesnt have either of these excuses.

Other than that, the ship really comes into it's own seeing it in motion. They did an excellent job of finding her good angles.

I'll leave plot and characterization to other forums......
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What?

You have a problem with Star Trek using everyday items due to a lack of budget?

Star Trek INVENTED that!!!

It just wouldn't be Star Trek without it...
 
(Assuming that this is going to be moved, I'll just chime in)

JJ's at least being consistent, given how the ship was welded by hand, by people in ski goggles (Yes, I know that they're welding goggles, but given how much welding they have to do, wouldn't a face shield be more practical in the long term? Are they just cheap on safety or did they just hire the Chinese? :p)

Apparently, just like today, the military gets top-of-the-line gear, and Joe Blow makes due with last year's junk.
 
Given the heat needed to be able to even melt Tritanium or Duranium I assume every human being within a good 100 meters must be burned to a crisp.. :vulcan:
 
I completely hated what I saw of Engineering in that one pre-release still and the promo clip with Scotty in it. During the actual film I wasn't bothered one bit, except for a single moment when I noticed a cast-iron hand-turn valve rather prominent on the right of the frame in one shot.

The ubiquitous supermarket scanners also seemed to somehow fade into the background - never noticed them through the whole movie, though I've no doubt that when I see it again this evening if I look for them I'll find them. Funny about that.
 
Dennis said:
I completely hated what I saw of Engineering in that one pre-release still and the promo clip with Scotty in it. During the actual film I wasn't bothered one bit, except for a single moment when I noticed a cast-iron hand-turn valve rather prominent on the right of the frame in one shot.

The ubiquitous supermarket scanners also seemed to somehow fade into the background - never noticed them through the whole movie, though I've no doubt that when I see it again this evening if I look for them I'll find them. Funny about that.
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Oh, it's not like most people are going to notice this stuff, sure. It still doesn't make it any less stupid, or any more inane than when the last ten films pulled the same stunts.
 
I didn't have too much of a problem with it... other than it inducing a flash back to Space Mutiny. :wtf:

Hopefully no one else will draw similar parallels between the two movies.
 
sojourner said:
Anyone else feel the production team really dropped the ball at a few points? My suspension of disbelief was jarred when i saw the forklifts in that hanger sequence and the use of some generic industrial plant for "engineering". I mean come on, BSG used the "everyday items" conceit due to a lack of budget and as a way to frame the "they're just like us" aspects of the story. Star Trek doesnt have either of these excuses.
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Yes, I was thinking the same thing, including the comparison to BSG. I thought to myself, "self, this engine room is as unbelievable as that location they used on BSG for the lower decks of Colonial One." Remember how they used a harbor ferry for that scene? It dodn't "fit" the Colonial One at all.
 
USS Mariner said:
Oh, it's not like most people are going to notice this stuff, sure. It still doesn't make it any less stupid, or any more inane than when the last ten films pulled the same stunts.
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Actually, if it's not noticed it makes no difference at all. God knows how many viewings it took to notice that Kirk traveled with American Tourister luggage or that the engineers left big ol' pipe wrenches lying around Engineering. :lol:
 
Dennis said:
I completely hated what I saw of Engineering in that one pre-release still and the promo clip with Scotty in it. During the actual film I wasn't bothered one bit, except for a single moment when I noticed a cast-iron hand-turn valve rather prominent on the right of the frame in one shot.

The ubiquitous supermarket scanners also seemed to somehow fade into the background - never noticed them through the whole movie, though I've no doubt that when I see it again this evening if I look for them I'll find them. Funny about that.
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Well, when all we have of a film is single frames of said film, we have a tendency to be anal about every single pixel in that image. When that frame is put into the context of a 126 minute motion-picture, the perspective is added, and the apparent impact of some elements are lessened.
 
Irishman said:
Dennis said:
I completely hated what I saw of Engineering in that one pre-release still and the promo clip with Scotty in it. During the actual film I wasn't bothered one bit, except for a single moment when I noticed a cast-iron hand-turn valve rather prominent on the right of the frame in one shot.

The ubiquitous supermarket scanners also seemed to somehow fade into the background - never noticed them through the whole movie, though I've no doubt that when I see it again this evening if I look for them I'll find them. Funny about that.
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Well, when all we have of a film is single frames of said film, we have a tendency to be anal about every single pixel in that image. When that frame is put into the context of a 126 minute motion-picture, the perspective is added, and the apparent impact of some elements are lessened.
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Absolutely agreed.

That first-released still of the Enterprise was a little problematic, but there's really not a bad shot of it in the movie - including, oddly enough, the really affecting intro shot from which that problematic still was taken. :lol:
 
sojourner said:
Anyone else feel the production team really dropped the ball at a few points? My suspension of disbelief was jarred when i saw the forklifts in that hanger sequence and the use of some generic industrial plant for "engineering".
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I too felt the production design was lazy. Engineering looked like it was a brewery with a few flat panel LCD monitors added here and there. What are we to assume those tanks are? Boilers? :guffaw:
 
I liked it. Didn't have one bit of an issue with it during the film. It provided a visceral scale that wouldn't be possible on the soundstage even with a CGI extension. Besides, I'm tired of the tube with flashing lights that, after all these years of Trek, bounces me out of the "reality" of the show.

It really gave the ship's engineering a "lower decks" industrial feel with more machinery around than just the warp core/reactor.
 
Given the available level of digital technology (even at a desktop level!), I'm not sure why they used a brewery instead of simply making the bulk of engineering a virtual set; I'm not saying that virtual sets are the best option for all scenes in any movie, but if they wanted to dazzle the audience with the size and complexity of the place, that sounds to me like a much better solution. It might've cost more, but given location shooting costs, including all the necessary licenses, permits, insurance, crafts services, etc., I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. I can see wanting more complexity than anything we saw on the TV screen or in the previous films, but, c'mon, a brewery?
 
Dennis said:
Kirk traveled with American Tourister luggage
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Hey! American Tourister is still in business, and Kirk is from Iowa. Maybe he does travel around with their luggage. Sure, using the transporters for everything might be easier, but there are some things you carry along that you don't want scanned. Especially when you're a big ole sexing-every-alien-chick-in-sight perv like that Jim Kirk. ;)
 
Are you not talking about the new film? If not then I retract my statement. It just seemed that way from what I read in your first post.
 
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