Odd question, debate (for fun)

[painkiller]

Hi new here super geek by nature so Hello fellow geeks and trekkies

I love talking geek to my closet geek partner, a odd conversation came to mind so lets talk i want to see the thoughts of others.

On trek, the holodecks are recreational but also have the ability to become more real by removing the safety protocols. Say for fun if those were removed could you since it is life like without them... Get a hologram pregnant? get a STD from a hologram say in earth history where no rubbers and syphilis were common. All the other implications of such thought. What do you think

(just for fun btw)

 

[psCargile]

That is a dire concept of fun.

 

[The Wormhole]

I doubt it's possible to get a hologram pregnant. I mean even if we overlook the fact that safeties wouldn't cause or prevent pregnancy, there are so many options, ranging from something as simple as birth control to something as complicated to reprogramming the holodeck to prevent pregnancies from being possible. The only way you're going to get a hologram pregnant is if you genuinely want to and intentionally set out to do just that.

 

[Kor]

I'm sure a program could allow for a simulated pregnancy. Maybe somebody who is a career Starfleet officer with no actual family wants to enjoy the occasional simulation of domestic life, including starting a family. Of course it wouldn't be real, and the whole scenario would go away every time the program was deactivated for the day.

Kor

 

[CorporalCaptain]

(just for fun btw)

Oh yeah? The OP sounds like an anti-choice, pro-abstinence, and pro-marriage ad to me.

 

[KennyB]

I would not want to clean the holodeck after you............

 

[Vger23]

Holodeck constructs aren't biological...they're not clones or replicants...so there's no avenue for the reproductive process to take place.

 

[JasonJ]

Um, no. Really?

 

[Tenacity]

Get a hologram pregnant?

Early on, weren't holodeck characters supposed to be replicated biological "meat puppets?" Malnipulated by tractor beams and force fields.

If a holodeck character became pregnant, the unborn child would disappear along with the mother when the holodeck cleared itself.

One of the character in the Big Goodbye (title?) wondered if he was real and what would happen to his family.

 

[Ralphis]

I'd ask Will Riker.

 

[Kor]

Holodeck constructs aren't biological...they're not clones or replicants...so there's no avenue for the reproductive process to take place.

It wouldn't be actual reproduction. It would be a computer-generated simulation of such.

Kor

 

[Shawnster]

Early on, weren't holodeck characters supposed to be replicated biological "meat puppets?" Malnipulated by tractor beams and force fields.

If a holodeck character became pregnant, the unborn child would disappear along with the mother when the holodeck cleared itself.

One of the character in the Big Goodbye (title?) wondered if he was real and what would happen to his family.

Even if they w were, which I don't think so, but even if... It's just a glob of biological play dough with no HUMAN DNA. No organs, no eggs to fertilize. No place for an STD virus to live, for that matter. Consider... A person with an STD uses the holodeck... When the program is over and turned off, the STD virus does not get incorporated into the program. Neither would sperm. All genetic materials would stay in the holodeck room until cleaning.

Nothing to impregnate and nothing that can catch a disease.

 

[Kor]

Even if they w were, which I don't think so, but even if... It's just a glob of biological play dough with no HUMAN DNA. No organs, no eggs to fertilize. No place for an STD virus to live, for that matter. Consider... A person with an STD uses the holodeck... When the program is over and turned off, the STD virus does not get incorporated into the program. Neither would sperm. All genetic materials would stay in the holodeck room until cleaning.

Nothing to impregnate and nothing that can catch a disease.

Yes, but if the program is sophisticated enough, it could detect the STD in the human, and then adjust the program to play out so that the holographic character contracts the disease.

Simulated holographic pregnancy is possible both ways, as shown with B'Elanna in "The Killing Game".

Kor

 

[Ithekro]

About the only question here would be if a holographic STD could infect a biological being? Didn't a cold like disease started on the holodeck infect the entire crew once in the first season of TNG (thanks Wesley). I don't imagine the holodeck character could produce any human DNA to get a human female pregnant regardless of how may safeties were off. I don't think the program gets that realistic. If it could get that realistic, would a photonic based human be coded so well that it could impregnate a human...but would that DNA vanish as soon as the human left the holodeck...or would the biological process take over as soon as her own cells started dividing?

 

[1001001]

I can't believe we're talking about this like it's a serious thing....



It reminds me of TBBT episode where the women debate the properties of Thor's Hammer.

 

[painkiller]

I think there can be no definite answer to this without practically trying it. Voyager episode phage the doctor uses holo emitters to make a pair of holo lungs for nelix. They are internal and function as normal lungs would but only in range of the emitters. This proves that the deck can be used to create internal things that can be inside of a body.

No you would not like to clean the holodeck, i would generate a world full of red head beauties and never leave I would be king of this red headed wonderland but of course my wife would be queen but then again she is redhead too! either way i win lol

 

[thewanderingjack]

HAHAHA

As it has been clearly implied, the holodeck is used for sexual recreation. Most notably as a tool for Worf and Tuvok to release some sexual tension "safely."

I couldn't help but wonder about their cleaning, even before this discussion.

As pointed out, simulated pregnancy is real.

No, the holodecks never used "meat puppets"... always HOLOgrams... photons manipulated via force fields... as such they have no internal organs. I believe you are referring to the fact that they were said to use a lot of/similar technology to the transporters/replicators (or were compared to them). And obviously it is true, since you can eat and drink things in the holodeck... implying that while things like landscapes and people are holograms, consumables are in fact replicated material.

As photonic constructs, they also technically have no biological diseases, they merely simulate them (so in the OP example... yeah there's STD ridden people, but no actual std's.)... I don't think the origin/cause of the mysterious virus was ever identified... it was first noted around the holodeck, and Wesley and his friends (who had been in there) got sick first, but that may have been due to the cold, not because the virus "began" in the holodeck.

Also, the safety protocols may be (are probably) designed to prevent/limit physical damage (as from a fall or strike), not biological transference (Otherwise, it would conceivably act/be used as contraception between a couple using it for the romantic setting), otherwise the virus on the holodeck becomes an issue again (why didn't it prevent it, like transporters filter out even unknown pathogens).

Painkiller brings up a good point though... hmmmm

Definitely ask Riker.

HAHAHA I can't believe we all talk about Star Trek like it's a serious thing, so... it's all up for grabs I say.

 

[wayoung]

"Your mother was a hologram and your father smelled of elderberries!"

 

[KennyB]

I can't believe we're talking about this like it's a serious thing....

Doesn't that apply to 70% of the topics on the TBBS?

 

[Kor]

If holodecks are created in our lifetimes, then perhaps somebody could volunteer to test the hypotheses discussed thus far.

Kor