Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Turtletrekker]

Could Riva be experiencing some sort of sick, twisted Sith form of love for Anakin Skywalker?

This little adventure explains how Leia knew who Luke was talking about in episode 4 when he said he was there with "Ben" Kenobi. It also adds a little context as to why Leia would name her child Ben.

I wonder what would have happened if the Clone recognized Obi-Wan? If it would have triggered order 66?

 

[marillion]

Tell that to Jinn. Moreover, a burning blade tearing through your abdomen is extremely serious, for all of the vital organs in that area. That, and G.I. was just laying on the ground with no medical attention while Reva was going through her theatrics on the landing pad as the ship took off.

Not to play the semantics game (with due respect to George Carlin), but we don't know the GI's anatomy. He may be humanoid, but that doesn't mean all his parts are in the same place as ours.

 

[Reverend]

I'll be honest I just assumed he survived based on the assumption this was the same character as the one in Rebels. But yes, arguing that it's shot in a manner that usually signals to the audience "character death" seems entirely valid to me.

It's possible they're pulling a fast one with the casting . . . but I honestly don't get what the point would be. Rebels fans will feel tricked, and everyone else will just be confused.

Not that I'm going to make a strong argument either way since we'll find out one way or another in less than a week anyway. But if I had to put money on it, I'd still say he's alive.

So I guess we now have an answer to why Leia named her kid Ben.

Not mutually exclusive, but I had just assumed it was Han's idea; a subtle way to show his growth and change in attitude.

Could Riva be experiencing some sort of sick, twisted Sith form of love for Anakin Skywalker?

I doubt it. Reading between the lines with most of her dialogue makes it sound more like she's out for revenge, very specifically against Obi-Wan. You can practically smell the abandonment issues There's clearly a history there we're not privy too . . . yet.

This little adventure explains how Leia knew who Luke was talking about in episode 4 when he said he was there with "Ben" Kenobi.

Possible. Though not really a gap that needed filling since one could have simply assumed Bail had already briefed her on his cover identity. I mean someone had to forge his chain-code, no?

I wonder what would have happened if the Clone recognized Obi-Wan? If it would have triggered order 66?

Doubtful. The chip had probably stopped working by this point.

One thing that did occur to me was that this clone still had Republic markings on his armour instead of the all-white Imperial spec. That could have just been an embellishment to draw a more explicit line back to the Order 66 scene, or an indication that he deserted way before the clones were demobbed . . . or I suppose he repainted his old legion colours back on out of nostalgia and/or to better aid his begging on the assumption being associated with the Grand Army of the Republic will engender more sympathy than with Empire.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Not to play the semantics game (with due respect to George Carlin), but we don't know the GI's anatomy. He may be humanoid, but that doesn't mean all his parts are in the same place as ours.

Reva knows, hence the reason she stabbed him in that area. She was not trying to wound--she was trying to kill him, otherwise it would make her appear rather incompetent in her job as a trained killer.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The old veteran clone trooper begging for money at the beginning of episode 2 sounded really familiar. Was it....him???

Yep, there he finally is in the Guest credits. I'm guessing they glued all that hair on?

 

[FreezeC77]

The chase/running scenes in this remind me of playing Jedi: Fallen Order and having the game engine decide THIS IS AN OBSTACLE. YOU CAN NOT JUMP OVER THIS TREE ROOT. It just seems really silly

 

[Reverend]

Something that just occurred to me: GI said Reva only has status because of her ability. In the moment I just took that as her being generally skilled, mostly by dint of being an older initiate (or even a full Padawan) and thus more training than most of the strays they find. On reflection I think she has a more specific talent, an ability to sense the intentions and feelings of others (which incidentally was also Ahsoka's strength when Plo first found her) and which we're now seeing Leia possesses too. Which needless to say would give Reva a serious edge in the Inquisitorious, and presumably will continue to serve Leia well in the Senate.

Not sure why these parallels are being drawn yet exactly, but there's an outside chance the con-artist/trafficker's contacts he mentioned (and to whom Ben and Leia are heading) may indeed cross paths with Fulcrum. It's kind of implied in Rebels and the Ahsoka novel that has some kind of involvement in an underground railroad for force sensitive children, which seems to fit here.

 

[BillJ]

Little Leia made me smile. She was cast perfectly.

 

[BillJ]

So I guess we now have an answer to why Leia named her kid Ben.

I always figured it was in reference to Kenobi. She didn’t know him long in A New Hope, but he made a major impact in her and her brother’s lives.

 

[The Wormhole]

I always figured it was in reference to Kenobi. She didn’t know him long in A New Hope, but he made a major impact in her and her brother’s lives.

I like the joke explaining Kylo Ren's anger. "I'm named after some guy my dad knew for a few hours, and instead of having my mother's royal last name, which I should according to Alderaan custom, I instead have the last name that was given to my dad by the Imperial recruiting officer."

 

[valkyrie013]

The trailer made it look like he broke cover in tatooine, but nope, off to rescue Leia. !

Good Start, but kind of makes his Battle with Maul in rebels a bit interesting. He's old and rusty here.. Not a match for.. Well anybody.

 

[JD]

I have to compliment the people at Lucasfilm, they really good job of keeping the Organas' involvement in the story under wraps. I did not expect to see them at all, so I was pretty shocked when I realized where we were and who Leia was when we got the first scenes with her.
I've always been wanted to see more Alderaan and Breha Organa, so I was pretty happy that we finally did in the first episode. Vivien Lyra Bleir is fantastic as Leia, she's a great little actress.
I'm liking Moses Ingram as Reva so far, and I'm curious what exactly her issue is with Obi-Wan, because it seems to be something very personal for her. I'm assuming she was one of the kids we saw in the opening scene, so what happened to her there probably has something to do with it.
Ben refusing to help the other Jedi was a nice way of showing just how much he's changed since he went into hiding.
Kumail Nanjiani's Haja Estree was pretty fun, I'm hoping this isn't the last we see of him. It's pretty clear his contacts are Rebels, so it'll be interesting to see if they are familiar faces. If they managed to keep Little Leia, and Jimmy Smits presence quiet, there's not telling who else might show up.
Reva turning on the Grand Inquistor and stabbing was a huge shock. They seemed to be implying he's dead, but we've seen plenty of Maul and Palpatine both managed to survive their "deaths". Him dying could explain why he looks and sounds different from Rebels' Grand Inquisitor.
As a creature/animal person, I got a kick out of Ben getting around on an eopie, and all the creatures Leia ran past while Ben was chasing her through the city.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Well, even the Grand Inquisitor's death in Rebels wasn't his final death, so I'm sure there's some hand wave around it.

Rewatching episode 2 and at 14:18, when Leia is anxious to get to the Spaceport and almost runs into a big furry alien, I almost expected her to say "would someone get this big walking carpet out of my way?"

 

[Noname Given]

I thought it was good but not great. The first episode could have been edited a little tighter as I don't think we needed so many scenes of Obi-Wan Tantooine Butcher.

Also I find it interesting that Princess Leia Organa wouldn't remember that just 9 to 10 years earlier, Obi-Wan saved her from being kidnapped; and she even knew them that she was kidnapped to lure him out into the open.

Her message that she recorded to RTD2 in Star Wars should have been:

" General Kenobi, 9 years ago I was kidnapped because of you; and while you nearly got me killed, you ultimately saved me, but still...YOU OWE ME!

I've hidden the plans to the emperors new weapon the Death Star in this R2 unit, which by the way I think you used to own. But get it to my father immediately on Alderaan; or I'll tell Darth Vader exactly where you are!"


I also have to say I found the prime Inquisitor quite stupid in that he didn't even consider that the third Inquisitor that he was constantly berating might decide to kill him off knowing Darth Vader only cares about results and when she gets Vader Obi-Wan Kenobi, he won't care what she had to do?

For me it's not as good as the start of the first season of The Mandalorian but at least it's a lot better than The Book of Boba Fett.

 

[Tosk]

The chase/running scenes in this remind me of playing Jedi: Fallen Order and having the game engine decide THIS IS AN OBSTACLE. YOU CAN NOT JUMP OVER THIS TREE ROOT. It just seems really silly

Yeah, the chasing Leia sequence was pretty odd. Even if you allow that the adult characters couldn't fit, they kept stopping as though they were flummoxed by this obstacle. It was like she was in a haunted house maze, with the characters lunging at her but not really trying to get her.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I also have to say I found the prime Inquisitor quite stupid in that he didn't even consider that the third Inquisitor that he was constantly berating might decide to kill him off knowing Darth Vader only cares about results and when she gets Vader Obi-Wan Kenobi, he won't care what she had to do?

...and with the Inquisitors being the central villains, having the G.I. be so clueless about the treacherous nature of Reva--and detain her somewhere made no sense at all. It was just manufactured conflict that does not hold up to a moment of consideration.

 

[Xerxes82]

So I've been thinking about the Order 66 scene. It's meaningful set up for the fall of the Jedi Order, but it is otherwise an odd choice. Unless it is going to relate in some more direct way.

Reva is too young to have been one of the younglings, which was my first thought. So I figure it's more likely she got to watch them die. Probably by Anakin's hand. Is she blaming Obi-wan for training the man that murdered all the little children?

I can't shake the thought that somehow we're coming back to that sequence later, to justify whatever Reva's motivations are. I suppose we'll see.

Also I find it interesting that Princess Leia Organa wouldn't remember that just 9 to 10 years earlier, Obi-Wan saved her from being kidnapped; and she even knew them that she was kidnapped to lure him out into the open.

For my take, she did remember. Look at it this way: the first part of her message is being intentionally businesslike. It's not a personal request, it's a formal summons from her father, the Senator, to General Kenobi. Formality must be obeyed. But then she breaks character, as it were, and goes for the personal request. "Help me Obi-wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

In retrospect, it actually works surprisingly well.

 

[FreezeC77]

So I've been thinking about the Order 66 scene. It's meaningful set up for the fall of the Jedi Order, but it is otherwise an odd choice. Unless it is going to relate in some more direct way.

Reva is too young to have been one of the younglings, which was my first thought. So I figure it's more likely she got to watch them die. Probably by Anakin's hand. Is she blaming Obi-wan for training the man that murdered all the little children?

I can't shake the thought that somehow we're coming back to that sequence later, to justify whatever Reva's motivations are. I suppose we'll see.



For my take, she did remember. Look at it this way: the first part of her message is being intentionally businesslike. It's not a personal request, it's a formal summons from her father, the Senator, to General Kenobi. Formality must be obeyed. But then she breaks character, as it were, and goes for the personal request. "Help me Obi-wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

In retrospect, it actually works surprisingly well.

Do you mean too old? Didn't Leia say she's 10. Padme gave birth shortly after Order 66 was imposed. So it's not that far off to say the opening scene showing the slaughter of the Jedi Temple was around 10-11 years in the past.

I'm not sure what age Reva is supposed to be. The Actress is 29. Assuming when she filmed this she was around 28 maybe 27. They could be having play someone in her early to mid 20s. So realistically she could have been 10 or 11 or mid to late teens when order 66 happened. I think she was probably a Padawan, although that would be a little played out because Jedi Fallen Order

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Has multiple cases of Padawans surviving Order 66 where their master died. One of them even becoming an Inquisitor after her Master was captured.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Are you talking about when Obi-Wan tells Leia she reminds him of someone? If so, I think he was talking about her mother, Padme. Satine makes sense too though.

I agree that it was Padme. He was seeing mother in daughter. Which conveniently gets him thinking about both her parents and how he lost them. Just in time for Reva to drop the Anakin bomb on him.

Yeah, you're both probably right. I guess I was jumping to conclusions for something I wanted to hear instead of what was the most logical.

Still hoping for a Satine connection, of course...

 

[Xerxes82]

Do you mean too old?

Yes, that was a case of my fingers moving faster than my brain.

But passing Reva off as 20 or so would be a real stretch. They could have cast younger if that was their intent, but they cast an actress nearly 30.

Not saying it couldn't happen. Ewan was 30 playing 18 in TPM, but that was logistical because he also needed to play 28 in AotC.

I do think it feels likely that it's Anakin/Vader she really wants to kill. And Obi-wan is her in to a private enough audience to make that happen.