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JD said:
Boba Fett was still alive when hell into the Sarlacc, which are specifically told keeps it's food alive for a thousand years. So we knew he was more or less alive, it was just a question of whether or not he got out of the Sarlacc, which we now know he did.
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Well, no, it says that the Sarlaac slowly "digests" its prey over 1000 years. That just means it takes a long time to make it through the Sarlaac's stomach and intestines, not that you're alive while all that's happening. Frankly, IMO, Fett should have stayed dead. Bringing him back was just the worst kind of fan service.

Though I agree with your larger point that Mace is definitely dead as disco.

JD said:
He didn't have to have gotten a new teacher, we saw in TLJ that he had a whole collection of old Jedi texts, so he could have easily learned all of that through those books, without ever running into another Jedi.
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True, but one shouldn't even need books. Luke is a Jedi, he had 30 odd years to train himself and get more powerful. You don't need a teacher for that, especially since once Jedi become knights, they are no longer taught by masters, they're on their own.
 
JD said:
He didn't have to have gotten a new teacher, we saw in TLJ that he had a whole collection of old Jedi texts, so he could have easily learned all of that through those books,
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He had the books, but it was implied he hadn't read them, based on the conversation between him and Yoda's Force Ghost.
Crewman6 said:
Well, no, it says that the Sarlaac slowly "digests" its prey over 1000 years. That just means it takes a long time to make it through the Sarlaac's stomach and intestines, not that you're alive while all that's happening.
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The old EU did go with the interpretation the Sarlacc did indeed keep its victims alive for the whole thousand years they were being digested, based on C-3PO's line about the experience being a new definition of pain and suffering.
 
Crewman6 said:
Well, no, it says that the Sarlaac slowly "digests" its prey over 1000 years. That just means it takes a long time to make it through the Sarlaac's stomach and intestines, not that you're alive while all that's happening.
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Clearly, 3-P0's line never made sense, as no being is going to live for 1000 years while being digested, so the "horror" of the specifically related to the 1000 years business is pure exaggeration that would not scare anyone.

Frankly, IMO, Fett should have stayed dead. Bringing him back was just the worst kind of fan service.
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True. He was a single-purpose character who reached the end of his usefulness in ROTJ. Arguably, his endless resurrections, backstories and retcons are the most glaring example in entertainment history.


True, but one shouldn't even need books. Luke is a Jedi, he had 30 odd years to train himself and get more powerful. You don't need a teacher for that, especially since once Jedi become knights, they are no longer taught by masters, they're on their own.
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Great point. Luke stopped needing true guidance in ROTJ--that was the point of Yoda telling him he already had what he needed, and beyond the Vader/Emperor business (the ultimate test / conflict / trial any Jedi would ever face), what else did he need to learn?
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Clearly, 3-P0's line never made sense, as no being is going to live for 1000 years while being digested, so the "horror" of the specifically related to the 1000 years business is pure exaggeration that would not scare anyone.
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So, you know, Yoda lived to be 900. And it's not digested; it's slowly digested, so slowly that the process takes a thousand years.

It's not at all implausible that some species in the SW galaxy, even if only a few, could survive centuries in a Sarlaac's belly, especially if the beast keeps swallowing fresh meat.

TREK_GOD_1 said:
That would erase the impact / point of the entire scene, meaning Mace being a second away from killing Palpatine, and Anakin selling his soul by betraying Mace.
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No, it wouldn't. The main points of the scene were that the Jedi severely underestimated Darth Sidious, the Republic was incapable of stopping him, and no Jedi could come to Anakin's aid. Mace became a casualty and was taken out of action, unable to do anything else for the rest of the film. He doesn't have to have gone out like a chump to make those points.

It would be completely plausible for Mace to have survived, just as it would have been plausible enough for Mace to have died.
 
Agreed. So, it is possible based on what we know from Jedi going and enduring great feats, Mace Windu could be alive. Despite what anyone's hate for the idea could be. Boba Fett, and Maul lived and I wouldn't doubt if Sam Jackson was offered to return since HE has mentioned his character is NOT DEAD makes it very possible Mace Windu is alive.
 
STEPhon IT said:
Despite what anyone's hate for the idea could be.
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AND more importantly, Mace can still come back while still being dead. That's OK by me. Just don't have him be alive. It's called being a Force Ghost. You know, how Obi-Wan came back? No? Ok, just me then.
 
STEPhon IT said:
Agreed. So, it is possible based on what we know from Jedi going and enduring great feats, Mace Windu could be alive. Despite what anyone's hate for the idea could be. Boba Fett, and Maul lived and I wouldn't doubt if Sam Jackson was offered to return since HE has mentioned his character is NOT DEAD makes it very possible Mace Windu is alive.
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Sam Jackson doesn't know anymore than we do.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
So, you know, Yoda lived to be 900. And it's not digested; it's slowly digested, so slowly that the process takes a thousand years.
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Jabba was executing two humans and a Wookie. Humans in the SW universe age normally, and were subject to the same stresses and threats to life as real world humans, so no, they would likely suffocate in the Sarlaac's gut in a very short time (if they were not crushed by a tentacle first), so the line Jabba has 3P0 say was just exaggeration.

No, it wouldn't. The main points of the scene were that the Jedi severely underestimated Darth Sidious
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Mace was suspicious of Palpatine for some time, and by the time he defeated him in the office window, he quickly moved from "you're under arrest" to trying to kill Palpatine. The tragedy is that Anakin betrayed him--leading to Mace's murder / Anakin selling his soul to the Sith. Having Mace survive eliminates the gravity of Anakin's act/fall. History-changing betrayal leading to a murder of that magnitude must have a meaning--and it did as filmed.

Mace surviving serves no purpose at all.

It would be completely plausible for Mace to have survived, just as it would have been plausible enough for Mace to have died.
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As Lucas has pointed out, Jedi are not superheroes, meaning for Mace to be subjected to Sidious' example of lethal "power" (which would kill just about anyone with the exception of Yoda), then fall who knows how many stories to the streets below would mean guaranteed death, not some cartoonish stroke of luck in the Wile E. Coyote vein.
 
Campe said:
Fett should have stayed dead.
Maul should have stayed dead.
Can we just let one character STAY dead please?
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Windu is alive.

Sooner or later he will come back.

That's just how fiction works. A writer will want to write for Windu during the Empire era, and they will.
 
YellowSubmarine said:
Windu is alive.

Sooner or later he will come back.

That's just how fiction works. A writer will want to write for Windu during the Empire era, and they will.
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It's the magic of storytelling, unless there's a force ghost or something to indicate he's dead, I believe he's hiding within the shadows, waiting to return. Windu could be a nice special guest in Obiwan because there had to be more surviving Jedi out there with their own personal story which could be told.
 
Exactly 3 characters have "come back from the dead" in a franchise that has had *dozens* of named character deaths (Ahsoka on Mortis doesn't count, that was a part of the whole story.) This is hardly a trend when only one of those was done for the wrong reasons (Palpatine.)

Boba surviving the Sarlacc always made sense. He's wearing a heavily armoured suit that can be sealed for vacuum with it's own air supply, and is armed to the teeth. The Sarlacc is made of pisk squishy stiff and it swallows him whole. It can't even chew, it's basically a giant pitcher plant. So long as he gets out before too much of the acid gets into his blood stream, he's surviving.

Maul was admittedly a weird choice at the time, but has since been vindicated by bing by far one of the more interesting character stories Star Wars has ever done.

Palpatine . . . I mean it could have worked, but it was executed poorly and for all the wrong reasons. If it was me, I'd have had him be trapped in that throne thing; that the Sith are so afraid of oblivion that they have this relic (similar to the Nightsister alter on Dathomir) that preserves the mind and memories of the reigning Sith Lord when they die (also how all that knowledge is passed down the generations, all the way back to Darth Bane) but with both Sith dying and no inheritor, he's been stuck, alone and unable to do anything for a generation with all the other Sith in there with him, screaming at him the whole time. How that might figure into the larger plot is a whole other discussion, but that seems like a better starting point.

As for Windu: he dead. Just like Biggs, Tarkin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Piett, Anakin, Han, Qui-Gon, Jango Fett, Even Piell, Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba, Satine, Ventress, Savage, Dooku, Luminara, Ki Adi Mundi, Jocasta Nu, Aayla Secura, Kit Fisto, Shaak Ti, Plo Koon, Jyn, Leia, Luke, Kanan Jarrus, Snap Wexley, and Ben Solo. (and those were all off the top of my head!)
 
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Reverend said:
As for Windu: he dead. Just like Biggs, Tarkin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Piett, Anakin, Han, Qui-Gon, Jango Fett, Even Piell, Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba, Satine, Ventress, Savage, Dooku, Luminara, Ki Adi Mundi, Jocasta Nu, Aayla Secura, Kit Fisto, Shaak Ti, Plo Koon, Jyn, Leia, Luke, Kanan Jarrus, Snap Wexley, and Ben Solo. (and those were all off the top of my head!)
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Luke learned to reconstitute his body back after learning how to preserve it while becoming one with the force, and taught it to Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan.
Kanan was saved by Ezra in an alternative timeline.
Dooku had his head preserved, and a robot body installed by Grievous.
Tarkin's head floated in space after the Death Star hyperspace explosion, bumped into Luke's hand and was discovered by Maz Kanata's pirate prior to TFA.
Those were the fake bones of Luminara, and the Empire kept the real Luminara elsewhere.
Ventress picked up armour and pretended to be Phasma the whole time, and survived the fight with Finn
Jyn rode the shockwave with a speeder surf.


On a more serious note, Ahsoka died twice, the second time she was saved as my joke Kanan.
 
Reverend said:
Maul was admittedly a weird choice at the time, but has since been vindicated by bing by far one of the more interesting character stories Star Wars has ever done.
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Indeed.
Reverend said:
If it was me, I'd have had him be trapped in that throne thing; that the Sith are so afraid of oblivion that they have this relic (similar to the Nightsister alter on Dathomir) that preserves the mind and memories of the reigning Sith Lord when they die (also how all that knowledge is passed down the generations, all the way back to Darth Bane) but with both Sith dying and no inheritor, he's been stuck, alone and unable to do anything for a generation with all the other Sith in there with him, screaming at him the whole time. How that might figure into the larger plot is a whole other discussion, but that seems like a better starting point.
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I had thought that Vader's mask might have done so.
Reverend said:
Aayla Secura,
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Reverend said:
Exactly 3 characters have "come back from the dead" in a franchise that has had *dozens* of named character deaths (Ahsoka on Mortis doesn't count, that was a part of the whole story.)
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So by "come back from the dead" I take you to mean characters that seemingly died and were only brought back later in a different story? Ahsoka still counts, she 'died' in the season 2 finale of Rebels.
 
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