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Obama in for 2012? Where do you stand?

Where do you stand on Obama?

  • Voted for him. Still support him.

    Votes: 70 57.4%
  • Voted for him. Do not support him anymore.

    Votes: 10 8.2%
  • Eh. Undecided/Don't Care/Never did.

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Did not vote for him. Support him now.

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • Did not vote for him. Still do not support him.

    Votes: 28 23.0%

  • Total voters
    122
Yet the same can be said of Christians, and so far we've managed, as a nation, to keep the worst aspects of fundamentalism at bay.
Despite the facts that it is an ongoing war, in the cause of which the more rational elements of our population must be ever vigilant, and that a continued victory is by no means guaranteed, yes we have.
 
I had assumed that to be implicit in my statement, but spoke specifically about atheists and Muslims because those were the two groups being discussed above.

Ah, okay. Understood.

Yet the same can be said of Christians, and so far we've managed, as a nation, to keep the worst aspects of fundamentalism at bay.
Despite the facts that it is an ongoing war, in the cause of which the more rational elements of our population must be ever vigilant, and that a continued victory is by no means guaranteed, yes we have.

Such is the way of a pluralistic society.
 
^ And, it's not supposed to make sense - it's all about stirring up fear and hatred, in that order. Truth or even logic are irrelevant.

Alas, it seems that many are indeed just stupid enough to buy it.
It's like he's doing a conservative mad-libs.

If we don't (VERB) then we'll become a (RELIGIOUS) (FORM OF NATION-STATE), potentially one dominated by (ANOTHER RELIGION). That's why we must (VERB) so we can (VIOLENT VERB) that (AFRICAN DEMONYM), (SOCIO-ECONOMIC BELIEF), (RELIGIOUS DEMONYM) out of the (GOVERNMENT BUILDING IN WASHINGTON)

And an example.

If we don't skip rope then we'll become a Yiddish Protectorate, potentially one dominated by Jedi. That's why we must masturbate so we can shoot that Malagasy, Nazi, Buddist out of the The Robert C. Weaver Federal Building.

It's great fun, and you get to learn about the buildings of Washington, DC.
 
If we don't copulate vehemently then we'll become a Scientologist Gerontocracy, potentially one dominated by Druids. That's why we must dance suggestively so we can defenestrate that Seychellois, Anarchist, Bahá'í out of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.

:lol:
 
If we don't immediately defenestrate then we'll become an Elusian Pedocracy, potentially one dominated by Discordianism. That's why we must gesticulate furiously so we can viciously stab that Batswana, Keynesian, Wiccan out of the Dumbarton House.

Yes, this is fun.
 
The most one could logically say is that secular atheists and radical Islamists have a shared interest in wanting the Christian influence on Western society gone--but after that point, they would be at absolute loggerheads again.

That's not logical at all. Radical Islamists hate Western atheists every bit as much as they hate Western Christians, and atheists would never work with radical Islamists since they're religious fanatics. We have as much to lose from them as Christians do. If you have a problem with Christian influence on Western society, you wouldn't team up with religious fanatics and help gain them influence, making your situation fifty times worse. That makes no sense.

Their goals aren't shared at all until you enlarge them to a ridiculous degree. Suing because a judge is using the Ten Commandments as a guide in court is not the same as wanting to engage your enemy in a holy war. You might as well say the two sides would team up because they have a common interest in breathing air.

(Actually a scenario I have worked with for possible use in a fanfic...)

And that's the only arena where a marriage of such disparate interests has any chance of existing, much less succeeding.

You'd be looking at something pretty tenuous, the equivalent of both submitting an amicus brief on the same Supreme Court case because the potential ruling could favor both. In fact, the legal arena is where you would most likely see it--for a time...because eventually, if Christian influence were to be eliminated, you'd then have the inherently incompatible desires for total secularization if not banning of religious expression versus sharia law. "Tinderbox" wouldn't even begin to sum that up. It would get nasty, fast.

So, we've gone from a future secular atheist controlled government dominated by radical Islamists according to Newt to they might file an amicus brief on the same case according to you. Which begs the question of why lend any credence to Gingrich's comments at all, and not simply dismiss them as the fearmongering tactics aimed at the two minority groups his base dislikes and distrusts the most that they are?

We're talking about people who can go from thinking Obama is part of a radical Christian church to not religious to a radical Muslim and both a fascist and a communist in the span of a single election cycle. They'll pretty much buy anything you throw at them, no matter how contradictory it is.



Since when do radical Islamists file amicus briefs in the Supreme Court, anyway? They might try to blow up the Supreme Court...

Atheists don't want to ban religious expression. :rolleyes: We're not the enemies of Christianity or any religion.

The same can be said of most Muslims, too (not wanting trouble or to be the cause of trouble). The problem is that fanatics can appear in any group, irrespective of religiosity or lack thereof, and when they happen to get power, things can get dangerous very fast. Human nature being what it is, this is always a threat.

There's no threat of either atheists or radical Islamists getting power here. That's just paranoid Red Dawnism.
 
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I think Locutus of Bored just made the post of the week; every line was concise gold. Nerys, hombre, no offense, but you just got served! :)
 
Well, I'm in the minority in that I was a McCain supporter in 2008 but now am an Obama supporter.

My reason was the rise of the tea party faction and the insane rhetoric coming from the right. The birthers, the Islamophobia, the incessant yammering about Marxism, sharia, and caliphates... Its madness.
 
Well, I'm in the minority in that I was a McCain supporter in 2008 but now am an Obama supporter.

My reason was the rise of the tea party faction and the insane rhetoric coming from the right. The birthers, the Islamophobia, the incessant yammering about Marxism, sharia, and caliphates... Its madness.

I think we'd probably agree on quite a bit. MCain was/is a good guy (as are a few others like my new senator Mark Kirk). It's the rest of the GOP I've had a problem with. The whole country (on aggregate), including the bulk of both parties, have lurched to right. This has meant the Republican party is now manically insane, and the Democrats have shifted pretty close to my centrist tendencies.
 
Back in 2000, if McCain had gotten the Republican nomination, I might have voted for him (and definitely would have if he'd had Colin Powell as a running mate). Now that the party has been hijacked by Tea Partiers, I can safely say I will NEVER consider voting for a Republican for President- unless they make some serious changes and get rid of the lunatic religious right wing fringe. Probably won't happen in my lifetime...
 
Back in 2000, if McCain had gotten the Republican nomination, I might have voted for him (and definitely would have if he'd had Colin Powell as a running mate). Now that the party has been hijacked by Tea Partiers, I can safely say I will NEVER consider voting for a Republican for President- unless they make some serious changes and get rid of the lunatic religious right wing fringe. Probably won't happen in my lifetime...

100%. At one time, I liked McCain, thought he was an honorable, decent man. Then the 2008 Presidential campaign took place, and I lost a great deal of respect for him. His concession speech made me wonder why that McCain hadn't appeared during the campaign, and I gained a touch of that respect back.

Finally, he went over the edge in Congress and I've completely lost all respect for him. He's a total tool, in my opinion, and is just as gung-ho to be a batshit ideologue as long as it gets him votes. He sold his soul and sold out his principles.

As for a GOP President? No. Even as recent as a year ago, I would have voted for a GOP candidate if he would have been intelligent and reasonable. I even voted for whomever I felt would do the best job, whether they be Republican, Democrat, Independent, Green, Libertarian, what have you. Now, I will not vote for any conservative, because to do so gives the assholes in Congress just that much more "proof" that their cause is righteous, and I will not suffer fools any longer.
 
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