NuTrek sequels - 24th century villains?

[Michael]

... there's no reason why they or the Cardassians, Breen or even Q can't appear in the next or subsequent movies.

Well, there is one: It'd be rather unoriginal.

Not really. The majority of people who will be watching the film will not know of them, and they have never featured in a Trek film before. It's a chance to have a different twist on them which would make it original.

Oh, I hope that in the case of reusing a known Trek villain they would have a different spin on him. But personally I'm in favor of doing something completely, well, new.

 

[Captain Pike]

Oh, but she turned out to be Betazoid in the end anyway.

The character? Only according to certain fans fantasies.

The actress? Well, that's another thing entirely.

 

[lonesomechild]

Well, there is one: It'd be rather unoriginal.

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But personally I'm in favor of doing something completely, well, new.

I second the motion. Something new would be nice. Re-using villains would be like giving someone a blood transfusion with their own tainted blood (not that any previous villains are tainted, just thoroughly-used). We need some new blood.

 

[Captain Fine]

When people say you want something new, do you actually want a NEW species made up for the next movie to be a villain? The problem with making up new species in a PREQUEL is: Why don't we ever see them in later episodes/movies? That was a problem with Enterprise and the Xindi.

I'm perfectly fine with using TOS aliens or later aliens that were around in this era. I'm cool with revealing new aspects of them. I'm not so keen on Klingons and Romulans again, but if the story is regarding the aftermath of this movie, it'd make sense.

TOTALLY new aliens as villains? Meh.

 

[alicelouise]

Since the Cardassians are mentioned in the movie, why not make them a Federation member. In one TNG episode "Parallels" they were against aggressive Bajorans and with the Federation.

With the destruction of Vulcan, The Cards could step into the breach.

The 23rd century Romulans? "Balance of Terror" is out of the question. However, would not the Fed PTB go to the RSE and ask what gives? The Roms would answer. please provide the technical specifics of what this Nero? has...So very sorry

 

[KingstonTrekker]

Why are people so quick to want to see old ideas in the sequel? Khan, Klingons, Borg, Dominion etc. etc. etc. have ALL been done...in most cases well...let's truly explore some new frontiers in this wonderfully re-envisioned 23rd Century tapestry...

 

[Gryffindorian]

I for one am not opposed to introducing a new alien species in the sequels to follow (although I welcome the possibility of using TOS and some TNG aliens I mentioned).

BUT ... let's get back to the real issue here. I believe the OP specifically asked which 24th century villains people would like to see. He/she didn't say, "Which villains (TOS era, female villains, alien race) would you like to see?" Sure, if you're opposed to the idea of a 24th-century villain, by all means share your input and elaborate on what would or would not work. There are tons of other threads where people are discussing what they would like to see in the next film (actor, actress, starship, etc.).

 

[SilentP]

Hmmm, consider this about the Klingons. We're told in XI than an armada of 47 Klingon ships was destroyed by the Nerada; now I don't know about what scale the fleets are going to be numberwise, but that's gotta be a fairly significant chunk. Maybe in the next movie our new antagonist, whatever race, is going to try and take advantage of both the hits the Federation and Klingons have taken and move in.

That way the Klingons could make an appearance, but as an allied force, though maybe not necessarily friendly, instead of the villain of the piece, as both they and Starfleet try and deal with the new threat. On a side note, fleet actions could even have cameos from Starfleet ships by the name of Kumari, or even a Reliant commanded by Captain Carol Marcus

Who the new threat would be? Could easily be a TOS villain, though I'll admit part of me is tempted to see the appearance of the Cardassians They've nearly always been shown to be Magnificent Bastards, and such characters have gotten favourable responses from audiences in some recent films. Heath Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight comes to mind, though I don't think the Cardassians would need to go the crazy route.

 

[romulus]

After reading this thread now I want more Romulans, Klingons and tons of Borg and other 24th century aliens.

Seriously though I like the Tholian idea or even the Gorn. But if you want original do an alien or story not already done many times in Trek. Like some one yet again wants to destroy Earth or the Federation...

 

[Bones2]

Has anyone said Kzinti yet? Weren't there meant to be some wars with them?

 

[skep155]

Tholians, Gorn or a brand new species, something original and scary, not just another humanoid biped. Sometimes its fun to just sit back and consider the possibility of completely alien species and what impact it would have on their train of thought. I often think that aliens wouldn't be evil as such, they'd just have such a different set of morals and system of thinking that they may appear malevolant to us. The way they see the world would be completely different if they had different senses.

For example aliens whose primary sense is smell would be able to detect our emotions all of the time by the chemicals/sweat secreted from our skin. Face to face negotiations would be almost impossible with them because they would always be able to tell when you are decieving them. And you wouldn't be able to hide from them on a planet because they could just follow the scent trail and determine where you were and how long ago you were there.

 

[Bones2]

The problem with a completely new and major enemy is that if they haven't encountered them by the TNG era, it'd seem odd that they'd turn up in a timeline (which hasn't changed distances afterall), set before the TOS era (pre-Cage even).

The only way I could think of it working is if the Enterprise gets flung somewhere unexplored, a la Voyager.

 

[skep155]

The problem with a completely new and major enemy is that if they haven't encountered them by the TNG era, it'd seem odd that they'd turn up in a timeline (which hasn't changed distances afterall), set before the TOS era (pre-Cage even).

The only way I could think of it working is if the Enterprise gets flung somewhere unexplored, a la Voyager.

I can think of a good few ideas of why a hypothetical new race would be a major enemy in this timeline but not in the other. Perhaps the Narada destroying 50 odd Klingon ships upset the balance of power in the sector and a currently weak interstellar species decided to take advantage of the lack of local Klingon fleets and seized hundreds of light years of Klingon space. Likewise the fleet which got destroyed could have been on their way to put down an uprising from said hypothetical alien species. Or the Narada arriving in the past could have screwed up the timeline more than we think. Or the Kelvin could have been due to go on mission to prevent dangerous new technology from falling into the hands of the hypothetical alien species which would give them an edge over the Federation. Or the alien species discover ancient advanced technology on a planet which the Federation was due to explore, but decided not to because of a percieved Romulan threat.

If a bunch of Somalian pirates went back in time and destroyed the Spanish armada with RPG's before it even left port the world would be a much different place.

 

[buzzknox]

The Federation will be a very different place, following the destruction of Vulcan. You've got the reduced impact of Vulcan's philosophies, the fear that comes with having a charter member destroyed so quickly, as well as the loss of Vulcan's resources and the task force. This timeline already had something major going on as the majority of the fleet was deployed in one system, and cadets could expect to get their own ships within a decade of entering the academy (either showing a very large building program, high attrition, or both). So, a species/culture that wasn't a threat in TNG era might become one due to its own expansion, the efforts of one side or another to ally with it, or even in the way the Federation deals with or reacts to the species/culture. In the original timeline, the Federation might have smacked an aggressive culture down hard enough that it learned not to get "frisky." This Federation might be so focused with internal or other problems that said culture doesn't get the life lesson early enough to go from an annoyance to a major threat.

 

[shapeshifter]

I want to see a fully fleshed out story dealing with a species that has never gotten a fair shake in the movies: Romulans.

 

[pookha]

i do think the idea to use the tholians is intriguing.
we dont even know their true motivation in tos.
were they responsible for what happened to the defiant.
or did their mirror counterparts cause the anomaly that captured defiant.

actually the tholians come across as pretty complicated in the episode.

they dont fire on enterprise until after they dont leave by the deadline.
the web can be seen as both a trap but also the means to keep enterprise from drifting into the anomaly.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

The Pakleds!

Dominion - Old Spock can warn Starfleet how not to rile the Dominion up unnecessarily, which leaves open the possibility that no war will break out. The Founders' motives were murky enough, though, that it's not clear that war can be avoided. Were they simply paranoid about the interlopers or was there an imperialistic motive beyond simple self-protection?

According to Ira Steven Behr, war with the Dominion was inevitable. The discovery of the Bajoran Wormhole just accelerated the timeline by a century or two.

Remember: no go-backs.

No goobacks?

Q only worked on TNG. Watch his DS9 episode or his Voyager episodes as proof.

I wouldn't say never. I thought Q's appearances on DS9 & Voyager were decent. But he certainly worked best on The Next Generation because his chaotic whimsy was an excellent counterpart to Captain Picard's calm rationality. For Kirk, the more appropriate omnipotent aliens would be the Organians or the Metrons.

I still vote for a cold war story with the Klingons.

No Borg. I think Voyager sapped the last bit of menace out of them and they cannot be rehabilitated.