nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!

[SonicRanger]

That's right -- nuTrek utterly destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!

Roddenberry shared his vision of Earth and humanity, and JJ and crew ignored everything! The word of Roddenberry was dismissed!

What was ignored?

Well, there's a whole list...

- James Kirk was named for his mother’s “first love instructor,” not his grandfather!
- George Kirk as just another of his mother's love instructors.
- Kirk's academy class had less "intellectual agility" than previous classes.
- "New Humans" who are willing to meld their own identities and individuality into a group consciousness versus rare "Primitives" like Kirk who still follow ancient customs like taking the last name of your father. In fact, using the father's surname is quite rare among most humans.
- Humanity moving beyond primitive monogamy and becoming swingers.
- The Federation installing cybernetic implants (senceivers) in Starfleet member's heads.
- A lower Mediterranean Sea because the Mediterranean Alliance built the Gibraltar hydroelectric complex!
- TOS isn't really canon but is instead a grossly exaggerated version of events in which the crew were portrayed as larger than life and the events were distorted by a misguided Starfleet PR campaign.

Where was this in the new film?

This was the official vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth from Gene Roddenberry, shared with us in 1979, and now it has been totally betrayed!

Now don't go screaming "not canon!" because this is the word of Trek's creator himself, as bestowed upon us in the official movie tie-in of the pinnacle of Star Trek at its absolute purest: Star Trek: The Motion Picture!

 

[Franklin]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I vaguely remember some of that. Does it come from the TMP novelization? In any case, it's not canon. Even the word of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" himself, if not put on screen, is NOT canon.
And, even Roddenberry had a bad idea or two. I'd walk away from a couple of those things in favor of what Abrams put on screen any day.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Personally if the OP is right about this stuff I have to wonder what Roddenberry was smoking that day.

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I vaguely remember some of that. Does it come from the TMP novelization? In any case, it's not canon. Even the word of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" himself, if not put on screen, is NOT canon.

It is the official movie tie-in by GR. TMP was written by GR, and the tie-in book was written by GR. If the film and tie-in material were created by the same person, then it should be official. What is the point of writing it if it wasn't official? What is the point of reading it if it wasn't official? What is the point of selling it? Isn't it dishonest to sell it and treat it as noncanon?

 

[Ovation]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

That's right -- nuTrek utterly destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!

Roddenberry shared his vision of Earth and humanity, and JJ and crew ignored everything! The word of Roddenberry was dismissed!

What was ignored?

Well, there's a whole list...

- James Kirk was named for his mother’s “first love instructor,” not his grandfather!
- George Kirk as just another of his mother's love instructors.
- Kirk's academy class had less "intellectual agility" than previous classes.
- "New Humans" who are willing to meld their own identities and individuality into a group consciousness versus rare "Primitives" like Kirk who still follow ancient customs like taking the last name of your father. In fact, using the father's surname is quite rare among most humans.
- Humanity moving beyond primitive monogamy and becoming swingers.
- The Federation installing cybernetic implants (senceivers) in Starfleet member's heads.
- A lower Mediterranean Sea because the Mediterranean Alliance built the Gibraltar hydroelectric complex!
- TOS isn't really canon but is instead a grossly exaggerated version of events in which the crew were portrayed as larger than life and the events were distorted by a misguided Starfleet PR campaign.

Where was this in the new film?

This was the official vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth from Gene Roddenberry, shared with us in 1979, and now it has been totally betrayed!

And we can all breathe a massive sigh of relief.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Good. Gene had a bunch of crazy-assed ideas.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

I vaguely remember some of that. Does it come from the TMP novelization? In any case, it's not canon. Even the word of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" himself, if not put on screen, is NOT canon.

It is the official movie tie-in by GR. TMP was written by GR, and the tie-in book was written by GR. If the film and tie-in material were created by the same person, then it should be official. What is the point of writing it if it wasn't official? What is the point of reading it if it wasn't official? What is the point of selling it? Isn't it dishonest to sell it and treat it as noncanon?

Didn't we just have a thread about this?

None of the novels are canon. None of the tie-ins are canon. Only what's been aired on TV and shown in films is canon. At least, officially speaking. You can have whatever "personal canon" you desire. It's no skin off my ass--or anyone else's.

 

[Deckerd]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Canon is so last century.

 

[Bones2]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Roddenberry was a dirty old man. We all know it,

 

[indranee]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

Good. Gene had a bunch of crazy-assed ideas.

including some space opera with a pointy-eared elf.

 

[BigMovieGeek]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

- Humanity moving beyond primitive monogamy and becoming swingers.

... Really?

Do they put their spaceship keys in a bowl?

 

[pookha]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

so why didnt gene use it in tng were early on he had a lot of control.

of course this thread may be about just how off some of gene's thoughts could be at times.

New Humans" who are willing to meld their own identities and individuality into a group consciousness versus rare "Primitives" like Kirk who still follow ancient customs like taking the last name of your father. In fact, using the father's surname is quite rare among most humans.

i remember that part and thought it interesting that by tng gene seemed to
moved past it.

 

[Bones2]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

He was too busy being a dirty old man.

 

[Guartho]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

If the film and tie-in material were created by the same person, then it should be official. What is the point of writing it if it wasn't official?

What if the same person also said that only what's live-action, on film, and televised or distributed to theaters counts? Why should we ignore that part of His Holy Word?

"Gene's Vision" came much later when the hype started to feed on itself and should not be taken so seriously.

Besides, some of the points you take as part of a betrayal are alluded to in the Abrams film. For instance, the bit about Kirk being less-than-perfect and that Starfleet was filled with ineffective too-perfect types before him fits right in with Pike's lamentations about the current state of Starfleet and how it could use more officers like George Kirk and the one he envisions Jim Kirk becoming.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

If the film and tie-in material were created by the same person, then it should be official. What is the point of writing it if it wasn't official?

What if the same person also said that only what's live-action, on film, and televised or distributed to theaters counts? Why should we ignore that part of His Holy Word?

"Gene's Vision" came much later when the hype started to feed on itself and should not be taken so seriously.

Besides, some of the points you take as part of a betrayal are alluded to in the Abrams film. For instance, the bit about Kirk being less-than-perfect and that Starfleet was filled with ineffective too-perfect types before him fits right in with Pike's lamentations about the current state of Starfleet and how it could use more officers like George Kirk and the one he envisions Jim Kirk becoming.

I noticed that bit in his talk with Pike, too. Starfleet was full of brainiacs, but they were also conventionally-thinking conformists. Kirk was special precisely because he was both brilliant and unconventional.

If there's any social commentary to be gathered from all this, it's that we often put too much emphasis on "book learning"--becoming human storehouses of information--and not nearly enough emphasis on actual problem-solving, that is, using our knowledge in unexpected ways. Nonlinear thinking.

 

[Jax]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

That's right -- nuTrek utterly destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!

Roddenberry shared his vision of Earth and humanity, and JJ and crew ignored everything! The word of Roddenberry was dismissed!

What was ignored?

Well, there's a whole list...

- James Kirk was named for his mother’s “first love instructor,” not his grandfather!
- George Kirk as just another of his mother's love instructors.
- Kirk's academy class had less "intellectual agility" than previous classes.
- "New Humans" who are willing to meld their own identities and individuality into a group consciousness versus rare "Primitives" like Kirk who still follow ancient customs like taking the last name of your father. In fact, using the father's surname is quite rare among most humans.
- Humanity moving beyond primitive monogamy and becoming swingers.
- The Federation installing cybernetic implants (senceivers) in Starfleet member's heads.
- A lower Mediterranean Sea because the Mediterranean Alliance built the Gibraltar hydroelectric complex!
- TOS isn't really canon but is instead a grossly exaggerated version of events in which the crew were portrayed as larger than life and the events were distorted by a misguided Starfleet PR campaign.

Where was this in the new film?

This was the official vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth from Gene Roddenberry, shared with us in 1979, and now it has been totally betrayed!

And we can all breathe a massive sigh of relief.

Despite Gene saying one day he hope someone would come along and make Trek bigger and better when the tech for films were better. Gene created Trek and am glad but he was a flawed writer...

TOS canned
TNG early seasons mixed reactions to be nice
TMP mixed.

J.J trek is TREK deal with it

 

[Bones2]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

And also, Gene probably wouldn't have given DS9 the go-ahead, and that's the best of the lot (IMO).

 

[stonester1]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

It is the official movie tie-in by GR. TMP was written by GR, and the tie-in book was written by GR. If the film and tie-in material were created by the same person, then it should be official.

But it's not. And thank goodness, some weird ass goofy shit in it. I mean, "love instructor", what is this, Logan's Run?

What is the point of writing it if it wasn't official?

To make money.

What is the point of reading it if it wasn't official?

Same as reading any of the books, because you enjoy it.

What is the point of selling it?

See two answers above.

Isn't it dishonest to sell it and treat it as noncanon?

Oh shit, a Fandamentalist. Getting tired of these.

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

The TMP novelization, an official movie tie-in by the film's writer, is also critical to understanding the film itself.

Consider the plot holes!

Voyager 6 just happens across a "black hole" that throws it across space-time?!?

And then a simple space probe destroys a Klingon armada and comes back to Earth, where there is only one starship, and disables all of Earth's defenses, coming within moments of Earth's destruction! WTF!?!

How could a simple space probe do all that?

Ask Roddenberry! The Star Trek Encyclopedia states that Gene Roddenberry suggested the "planet of living machines" that V'ger encountered on its journey to be, in fact, the Borg homeworld.

It is Borg-enhanced! That is the only explanation!

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea

What? TMP was perfectly understandable on its own terms. I've never read the novel, even though I'd probably enjoy it. I'm sure it complements the film but hardly seems essential for "understanding" it.