Novels that would make great movies
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Plus, it spares the future movies from being wedded to the old continuity for many more movies to come, sparing them from having to deal with constant nitpicking about this or that obscure bit of TREK trivia. ("Why is Chekov on the bridge? Chekov wasn't introduced until Season 2! Where is Gary Mitchell? What about Dr. Piper?" He should be doctor before MCoy!")
Better to rip the "canon" bandage off with one swift yank than suffer the endless torture of countless tiny little continuity glitches. It may sting for a moment, but you're better off in the long run.
And, yes, the audience does not speak with one voice. Ask ten moviegoers what they want to see in the next movie and you'll probably get at least eight different answers.
Better to rip the "canon" bandage off with one swift yank than suffer the endless torture of countless tiny little continuity glitches. It may sting for a moment, but you're better off in the long run.
And, yes, the audience does not speak with one voice. Ask ten moviegoers what they want to see in the next movie and you'll probably get at least eight different answers.
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Additionally, people with a fondness for a specific character might enjoy seeing the character resurrected or reimagined. Bruce Greenwood as Christopher Pike is one of my favorite things about the Bad Robot films. I also really like Thelin from “Yesteryear”, whose life we got to read more about in The Chimes at Midnight.
What?
The parts of the universe that truly matter to most audience members are the characters. That's why so many franchises are able to reinvent their settings and time frames and situations while keeping the characters intact and true to their nature. There are many versions of Gotham City, but they all have Batman and the Joker and Jim Gordon.
But how is that different from any other franchise that gets rebooted every generation or so? Are the new PLANET OF THE APES or GODZILLA movies invalid because they're not set in the continuity of the original movies? Do the new BATMAN movies need to adhere to the "universe" of old Adam West TV series? What about the new LOST IN SPACE?
Popular stories and characters get retold and reinvented all the time. Like Robin Hood or King Arthur or the Trojan War.
That's just how it works.
^^And as was mentioned earlier in this thread, Star Trek itself (via Data in “Paralleles”) has suggested that its own story may have many different variations. The Bad Robot films are merely a window into one of the realities whose existence Data was alluding to.
Yes, it would have helped. But why would Starfleet (at least whoever gave Terrell his orders to cooperate with Carol Marcus) have known that Terrell would have literally ended up on Khan's doorstep?
The order was to find a world that was completely lifeless - not even a microbe - so when they detected life signs on Ceti Alpha, they should have just gone on to the next world.
I never said he was a security risk. I said he didn't need to know about Khan; it was not information required to find a completely lifeless planet.
As for Operation Vanguard, I have no idea what that refers to.
You tap dance very well, and your Khan books have made it into my head canon to the point that I can't imagine these events playing out any other way.As to why Chekov didn't say anything about Khan being (supposedly) one planet over . . . well, I had to tap dance around that in my book!
Did the part of Starfleet that knew about Khan also have Terrell's itinerary for finding completely lifeless planets?
This is as reasonable an explanation as any. Chekov wouldn't necessarily have known where Khan was exiled, only that he was exiled.
Not all planets in the Goldilocks zone have life.
You sure know how to argue/defend your point.
The issue in TWOK was that the lifeforms might have been transplantable, so Marcus asked Terrell to make sure before moving on.
Nor did I say that you did. My statement was a general observation about Terrell based on what I know about him from the films and novels. As to the Khan information, it wasn’t required to find a test site, but as Starfleet almost certainly knew which planets Terrell was visiting, his having a warning to avoid the Ceti Alpha star system would have been sufficient to prevent disaster.
I won’t spoil it for you if you’re planning to read those novels, but the project was classified by Starfleet Command. Terrell’s ship was one of several responsible for surveying the region in which the novels took place. As Terrell had safe-guarded sensitive information prior to assisting with Project Genesis (Operation Vanguard took place mainly during TOS), it’s likely he could have been trusted to do so again.
Probably not, which is why the oversight occurred. However, that doesn’t mean that the information in and of itself was something Terrell couldn’t have been told had Starfleet realized his visiting Ceti Alpha V would put the safety of his crew at risk.
Was it an important assignment? Or did Terrell get it owing to his name being , on top of the low importance assignment duty roster.
I personally thought the whole story behind Star Trek (2009) was ingenious. I have some issues with the production design being so totally different from what we've seen before. But the story was a work of genius. They created a sequel-prequel-reboot all tied into one. It's a bit of a sequel because prime-Spock comes back in time from the prime universe from a time after Nemesis. It's a bit of a prequel because it shows our characters at the beginning of their Starfleet careers (yes, there are some differences, but in general it probably gives a fair idea of where they started from. And it's a reboot because it starts the story anew.
Would I have loved to see a true prequel? Of course. I'm a Trekkie going back to the original series. I'd love to see a true representation of Kirk taking command of the Enterprise with the characters we mostly saw, Dr Piper, Lt. Alden, Gary Mitchell (wonder what happened to him in the alternate timeline BTW) on a set that looked like WNMHGB. A lot of us would have gotten a kick out of it. But let's face it. That just doesn't sell and would be mainly a one off story since the prime timeline canon is established pretty much.
But what they gave us was pretty unique. I think they respected all that came before by bringing in Leonard Nimoy's Spock as we last saw him in TNG. They wanted to reboot Star Trek but they still wanted a link to 40+ years of history, a lifeline of sorts I guess you could call it.
I would guess that it was, as Kirk had use his flag-level security clearance to open Marcus’ video.
Oh, and I have to agree about TNG. I'll admit I was a bit unsure. Star Trek without Kirk and co. But I gave it a chance. I even pushed myself through the 1st season with it's handful of turkeys (Code of Honor anyone). And by the end of the 1st season I thought it had potential and it only got better. Ditto for DS9. No starship? No way. And it took a while for me to buy in and it turned out to have some of the best episodes of Star Trek ever. By the time Voyager came out I was lest doubtful and I thought, finally a pure exploration show with no Starfleet nearby, and all new planets. I learned to like it, but I can't disagree there were some missed opportunities with it. And so on.
Yeah, no doubt there are a lot of plot holes in TWOK. I remember thinking myself when I first saw the movie and Khan yells "This is Ceti Alpha V!". I was like, how do you lose a planet? Can't they count in the 24th century. I think "Rise and Fall..." and "Vanguard" (the reference I actually forgot about until reading this thread) do a decent job of providing an in universe explanation of why things happened, why they apparently lost a planet, why Starfleet never checked on Khan and his followers (I argued maybe they couldn't because of the security risk....and need to know may play in as well) but it certainly wouldn't stop Starfleet from stopping by to, you know, take scans to make sure they're ok. Why did Starfleet send the Reliant there in the first place. I guess they figured it was supposedly a different planet and as long as they didn't mess with V, what's the big deal.
But yes, my arguments to the contrary, TWOK has numerous plot holes and requires a health suspension of disbelief. Fair or not, a lot of TWOK fans give it a pass on it's many holes because it is arguably the most popular of the films and it's legions of fans love it. For me it helps greatly that some of the novels have filled in the plot holes so when I watch it now, it can make sense in spite of those holes (granted, it probably shouldn't have had them in the first place).
One thing I can't argue is TWOK put Star Trek back on the map. It was a huge hit and led to the creation of more films, and directly impacted the next 2 films. I loved TMP for its purity. But I know and realize I am not in the majority on that. TWOK came along and made Star Trek 'cool' I guess, cool enough for non Trekkies to like it, cool enough to lead to future films and eventually shows.
You tap dance very well, and your Khan books have made it into my head canon to the point that I can't imagine these events playing out any other way.
Thanks!
Did they make a habit of asking about transplanting? From the "WTF?" tone of Carol's voice, it doesn't sound like it.
Thanks, but it's unlikely I will be picking them up any time soon, if at all. Due to limitations of budget and space (even with several dozen bookshelves in my apartment, there are a few hundred books that I'm having trouble finding room for), I've had to really cut back on buying new books these days.
No, they didn’t. Terrell suggested asking Marcus, who reluctantly allowed them to take a look but reminded them that if the life forms couldn’t be moved, Ceti Alpha VI (V) was off the list of candidates.
I realise that it wouldn't actually work as a movie because of the necessary back-story, but I remember thinking Rise Like Lions was very cinematic - I would love to see it.
^I had the same thought about Sorrows of Empire.
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