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Novels that would make great movies

^The era I’d like to see explored the most is the post-TMP/pre-TWOK era, as I’d love see an in-universe explanation for the change in Starfleet philosophy that happened between the two films. Christopher is a fan of the era and has written several novels set during it, but I’d like to see other authors take a stab at it.

Yeah. There hasn't been a lot recently. In the past there were quite a few (and a lot of early novels were 'retconned' if you will to that period). Of course the New Earth novels take place during that period too, though later, closer in time to TWOK (even depicting Chekov leaving the Enterprise to become first officer of the Reliant).

One era that has a lack of novels is the missions of the Enterprise-A between TFF and TUC. I believe there are what, 7 or 8 years there, including I believe 3 years after Sulu leaves to command the Excelsior (according to Forged in Fire he left in 2289). I don't believe there are any novels that take place after he leaves. I remember how excited I was that Foul Deeds Will Rise was announced to take place on the Enterprise-A, and of course the E-book that was during that period also (I forget the name at the moment).
 
One era that has a lack of novels is the missions of the Enterprise-A between TFF and TUC. I believe there are what, 7 or 8 years there, including I believe 3 years after Sulu leaves to command the Excelsior (according to Forged in Fire he left in 2289). I don't believe there are any novels that take place after he leaves. I remember how excited I was that Foul Deeds Will Rise was announced to take place on the Enterprise-A, and of course the E-book that was during that period also (I forget the name at the moment).
There is one Enterprise-A novel that takes place after Sulu leaves -- The Captain's Table: War Dragons (more specifically, the 2290 chapters of that book). Chekov temporarily transfers over to the Excelsior as Sulu's new XO, but only for the duration of the storyline.

Also, Miasma is the title of Greg's 2016 Enterprise-A novella, which is also set after Sulu's departure, roughly around early 2291-ish (but prior to Saavik leaving the ship, as we saw in the DC Comics series).
 
One era that has a lack of novels is the missions of the Enterprise-A between TFF and TUC. I believe there are what, 7 or 8 years there, including I believe 3 years after Sulu leaves to command the Excelsior (according to Forged in Fire he left in 2289). I don't believe there are any novels that take place after he leaves.

DC's second comics volume takes place mostly in the post-TFF era, and includes post-Sulu adventures.

Novels set between TFF & TUC include:

Probe (nominally -- although it was pretty clearly meant to be post-TVH and had a token TFF reference or two added in because of its delays)
In the Name of Honor
The Rift
(mostly)
Foul Deeds Will Rise
Excelsior: Forged in Fire
The Captain's Table: War Dragons
(partly)
 
DC's second comics volume takes place mostly in the post-TFF era, and includes post-Sulu adventures.

Novels set between TFF & TUC include:

Probe (nominally -- although it was pretty clearly meant to be post-TVH and had a token TFF reference or two added in because of its delays)
In the Name of Honor
The Rift
(mostly)
Foul Deeds Will Rise
Excelsior: Forged in Fire
The Captain's Table: War Dragons
(partly)

I have "In The Name of Honor" in my pile of books I need to read, good to know it's in that period (it also has the honor of being the final numbered book of the original series). I have to pick up a copy of Mere Anarchy. It's one of the few I don't have (along with the Corps of Engineers E-books and the Gorkon series).

Still, there's plenty of room for more. Come to think of it, more Excelsior books would be nice too.

Also, Miasma is the title of Greg's 2016 Enterprise-A novella, which is also set after Sulu's departure, roughly around early 2291-ish (but prior to Saavik leaving the ship, as we saw in the DC Comics series).

That was the one I was trying to think of. Thanks.

In a way, when you think about it, as much ground as has been covered in Star Trek, there's still plenty of ground to cover. There's a whole period between Enterprise (well, after the relaunch novels) and the original series that is virtually untouched, esp. the early 23rd century prior to the launch of the Enterprise in 2245 (if S&S gets the rights to Abramsverse events it'd be interesting to see books involving the Kelvin in the prime timeline), then of course the Lost Era still has plenty of room for more stories.
 
In a way, when you think about it, as much ground as has been covered in Star Trek, there's still plenty of ground to cover. There's a whole period between Enterprise (well, after the relaunch novels) and the original series that is virtually untouched, esp. the early 23rd century prior to the launch of the Enterprise in 2245 (if S&S gets the rights to Abramsverse events it'd be interesting to see books involving the Kelvin in the prime timeline), then of course the Lost Era still has plenty of room for more stories.
Was just thinking the other day, that, for all the room the 5YM seems have historically gotten on the Pocket publication-schedule in recent years (and I realize it's more author-preference than anything else), it seems to take up a disproportionate share of the slots each year (or, rather, each year when TOS books were still being published) relative to its overall timespan -- the TOS movie era actually covers four times as much chronology (2273-93) as the 5YM itself did (2265-70), yet for years now we've gotten far more 5YM novels than movie-era ones.
 
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Was just thinking the other day, that, for all the room the 5YM seems have historically gotten on the Pocket publication-schedule in recent years (and I realize it's more author-preference than anything else), it seems to take up a disproportionate share of the slots each year (or, rather, each year when TOS books were still being published) relative to its overall timespan -- the TOS movie era actually covers four times as much timespan (2273-93) as the 5YM itself did (2265-70), yet for years now we've gotten far more 5YM novels than movie-era ones.

Yeah, I guess everyone wants to play in the original series sandbox of the 5 year mission. I remember reading that with all the books it'd be impossible to fit all that in 5 years. The movie era is quite a bit longer. While there have been several novels that took place between TMP and TWOK, there have been a lot less in recent years. And the general consensus these days is there was a 2nd mission after TMP, so I think there's still plenty to be tapped (and you still all the original characters available). And of course the Enterprise-A missions. It'd be interesting to see how much exploration they were able to do on the Enterprise-A. Seems they had to do a lot of diplomatic jobs and fixer-upper jobs. Did they get to explore on the Enterprise-A for any period of time? That could be fun to see.
 
I confess: one advantage to writing 5YM books is that we have a lot more visual reference on that ship than on the Enterprise-A. Makes it easier when you're trying to find photos and diagrams of, say, the engine room or sickbay or whatever . . ...
 
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I confess: one advantage to writing 5YM books is that we have a lot more visual reference on that ship that on the Enterprise-A. Makes it easier when you're trying to find photos and diagrams of, say, the engine room or sickbay or whatever . . ...
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I confess: one advantage to writing 5YM books is that we have a lot more visual reference on that ship that on the Enterprise-A. Makes it easier when you're trying to find photos and diagrams of, say, the engine room or sickbay or whatever . . ...

That is one thing I don't think people realize about writing novels. How much work really has to go into it. It's not just the plot, but the dialogue, scenes, and even just trying to express emotions. In a way the scene has to be set. The reader uses their imagination of course, but the writer has to set that up.

When S&S used to do those Strange New World anthologies (I believe that's what it was) for amateurs to give it a go, I was going to give it a go. Since I'm always complaining about more Enterprise-A stories, that's where I was going to set mine. I had a plot outline, what I wanted to accomplish. I got to page 2, looked it over and I was just like, this is awful. OMG, I bored myself, AND I WROTE IT. It looked like a hearing transcript. I've always been more of a science-math guy and never very artistic. And I think in a way writing a novel is like art. I think that's where I had issues. I can plainly state what I wanted to, but it lacked imagination and came out more like reading a lab report or transcript then a story.

I think that's when I realized writing any story is not an easy task, especially a 300-400 page book. Do it right and you've got a great book that people want to read. Do it wrong and it ends up in the bargain bin at the Dollar Tree (I've never seen any Star Trek books at the Dollar Tree--so that's good).
 
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Although it could be too much. Death scenes, splatter and the like. On the other hand. You can see those scenes in CSI New York, too.

Most entertaining would be the Quark - Odo dialogues. And it wouldn't be movie for minors.
 
I confess: one advantage to writing 5YM books is that we have a lot more visual reference on that ship than on the Enterprise-A. Makes it easier when you're trying to find photos and diagrams of, say, the engine room or sickbay or whatever . . ...

Right. I suppose one could make educated guesses about what a room looks like, but it can be hard to write something that sounds realistic without a visual reference.
 
Novels set between TFF & TUC include:

Probe (nominally -- although it was pretty clearly meant to be post-TVH and had a token TFF reference or two added in because of its delays)
In the Name of Honor
The Rift
(mostly)
Foul Deeds Will Rise
Excelsior: Forged in Fire
The Captain's Table: War Dragons
(partly)

You also forgot the novelization of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, and the framing of Treaty's Law from the Day Of Honor series that take place in 2288. Plus the Sulu audio books Cacophony and Envoy take place in 2291.
 
Right. I suppose one could make educated guesses about what a room looks like, but it can be hard to write something that sounds realistic without a visual reference.

Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise has good information about the refitted Enterprise and the Enterprise-A. There are a few inaccuracies (such as the Enterprise-A having transwarp capability) but overall it's considered pretty accurate.

Though I have to imagine writers of movie era stories have probably referenced it and while it does give you some diagrams, it's still not quite the same as seeing it on screen.
 
Dafydd ab Hugh: Fallen Heroes

Although it could be too much. Death scenes, splatter and the like. On the other hand. You can see those scenes in CSI New York, too.

Most entertaining would be the Quark - Odo dialogues. And it wouldn't be movie for minors.

I'm a big horror movie fan so something on the scarier side for Star Trek could be fun. I liked TNG's 'Night Terrors', DS9's 'Empok Nor' and Enterprise's 'Impulse' for that reason.
 
Right. I suppose one could make educated guesses about what a room looks like, but it can be hard to write something that sounds realistic without a visual reference.

Let's be honest, though -- how often does a 5YM-era book really go into detail about the set design? "Kirk checked his reflection in the small hexagonal mirror above the dresser which rotated out of the wall, then moved past the vertical metal grille and trapezoidal wall hanging to activate the boxy viewing screen on the also-trapezoidal desk that extended out next to his bronze lame-covered bed"? Generally the scenery descriptions are a lot vaguer. "Kirk walked across his quarters and activated his desktop viewer." That's all you need. A scene is set on the bridge, or in the briefing room, or in sickbay, or in the corridor, or whatever. The only more specific details that tend to get mentioned are plot-relevant ones, or just generalized descriptions to convey the feel of the setting -- the red-lit bridge at high alert, the inviting quarters of a friendly crew member, the vast and bustling engineering complex. You might get a bit more detail in a movie-era book to specifically differentiate it for the benefit of readers whose mental default is the 5YM -- the multistory engine complex illuminated by the swirling energies in the vertical cylinder of the intermix chamber, the spacious rec room with its array of large windows on the rear wall, that sort of thing -- but you can get the broad strokes of that just from movie screencaps. And most settings in the TMP era are similar enough to their TOS equivalents that the action would play out the same way regardless. A corridor is a corridor. A turbolift is a turbolift. Heck, a lot of TMP-era novels have had briefing-room scenes even though we never, ever saw a movie-era briefing room onscreen.

Granted, I have written books that incorporated more exact set details, specifically for the TMP Enterprise in Ex Machina and the TOS/TAS ship in Forgotten History, and I did consult extensive references to get the technical details. I've also done so for Starfleet and Andorian ships in Rise of the Federation, consulting all the tech references and screencaps I could find. But I did it in those books because I specifically wanted to give a strong feel for those particular eras. If anything, more generally, I have a bad habit of not putting in much scenery description at all, and sometimes not even remembering to establish where a scene is set -- I just have two or three people talking in what could be an empty void for all the description I offer. (I was surprised when the makers of the audiobook version of my novel Only Superhuman used the background ambience of a restaurant for a lunch scene I'd assumed was in a private home. I'd forgotten to include that detail in the actual text.) Usually the best approach is somewhere between those extremes -- give just enough information to provide a general impression of the setting but no more than is necessary to support the dialogue, action, and tone of a scene.
 
Let's be honest, though -- how often does a 5YM-era book really go into detail about the set design? "Kirk checked his reflection in the small hexagonal mirror above the dresser which rotated out of the wall, then moved past the vertical metal grille and trapezoidal wall hanging to activate the boxy viewing screen on the also-trapezoidal desk that extended out next to his bronze lame-covered bed"? Generally the scenery descriptions are a lot vaguer. "Kirk walked across his quarters and activated his desktop viewer." That's all you need. A scene is set on the bridge, or in the briefing room, or in sickbay, or in the corridor, or whatever. The only more specific details that tend to get mentioned are plot-relevant ones, or just generalized descriptions to convey the feel of the setting -- the red-lit bridge at high alert, the inviting quarters of a friendly crew member, the vast and bustling engineering complex. You might get a bit more detail in a movie-era book to specifically differentiate it for the benefit of readers whose mental default is the 5YM -- the multistory engine complex illuminated by the swirling energies in the vertical cylinder of the intermix chamber, the spacious rec room with its array of large windows on the rear wall, that sort of thing -- but you can get the broad strokes of that just from movie screencaps. And most settings in the TMP era are similar enough to their TOS equivalents that the action would play out the same way regardless. A corridor is a corridor. A turbolift is a turbolift. Heck, a lot of TMP-era novels have had briefing-room scenes even though we never, ever saw a movie-era briefing room onscreen.

Granted, I have written books that incorporated more exact set details, specifically for the TMP Enterprise in Ex Machina and the TOS/TAS ship in Forgotten History, and I did consult extensive references to get the technical details. I've also done so for Starfleet and Andorian ships in Rise of the Federation, consulting all the tech references and screencaps I could find. But I did it in those books because I specifically wanted to give a strong feel for those particular eras. If anything, more generally, I have a bad habit of not putting in much scenery description at all, and sometimes not even remembering to establish where a scene is set -- I just have two or three people talking in what could be an empty void for all the description I offer. (I was surprised when the makers of the audiobook version of my novel Only Superhuman used the background ambience of a restaurant for a lunch scene I'd assumed was in a private home. I'd forgotten to include that detail in the actual text.) Usually the best approach is somewhere between those extremes -- give just enough information to provide a general impression of the setting but no more than is necessary to support the dialogue, action, and tone of a scene.

That's true, I don't recall any what I would call unnecessary details about the setting. Just enough usually that you know if they are on the bridge, in someone's quarters, etc, unless it's germane to the story itself. I notice more detail about planetary settings since those are usually unique.

I guess going back to what Greg Cox pointed out it's probably more important for you guys as the writers to try to imagine the settings as you're writing. I would guess you are playing the scenes out in your mind as you're writing and it's probably helpful to have an image in your head of where the scenes are taking place just so you can move the narrative along in a coherent manner, even if that doesn't end up in the book itself exactly as you're thinking it.
 
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