I liked the new film, but Voyager had dozens of episodes that affected me more emotionally than it did. Year of Hell, for starters.
Not Supporting the New Movie.
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I liked the new film, but Voyager had dozens of episodes that affected me more emotionally than it did. Year of Hell, for starters.
I won't go see the movie.
I won't buy any product that has even the faintest hint of a tie-in to the movie.
I won't buy ANY Star Trek related merchandise in the immediate future lest it be construed to represent a movie-related/inspired "bump" in interest.
It's my money. I can spend it or not spend it in any damn way I please.
I won't spend a goddamn penny on "Fake Trek."
You, on the other hand, can do anything you please with your money.
Have fun!
I won't buy any product that has even the faintest hint of a tie-in to the movie.
I won't buy ANY Star Trek related merchandise in the immediate future lest it be construed to represent a movie-related/inspired "bump" in interest.
It's my money. I can spend it or not spend it in any damn way I please.
I won't spend a goddamn penny on "Fake Trek."
You, on the other hand, can do anything you please with your money.
Have fun!
Give some credit to the OP, his logic is sound. If you don't like a variant of something why would you buy that variant and support the thing in question? To desire a set of attributes in an object and then continue to support the object when those attributes are violated in some way would be an act of faith and irrational attachment to something that may not deserve it. Certainly enough data can be gathered to make the conclusion based on a posteriori basis and not an a priorii one, yes? Mr. Spock would be most displeased with some of the fans right now 
I know I'm not going to see the movie until the DVD release, in which case it will be a rental. I personally think JJ Abrams is a bit of a blowhard and not a terribly talented director, in addition to some other criticisms I have gathered from reading both positive and negative reviews of the movie. While I am sure the movie is adequate in many respects (none of the movies were truly terrible on a "Red Zone Cuba" level) I would prefer my money be several steps removed from direct support of Abrams and the movie, as we all know Netflix is a pure good.
I know I'm not going to see the movie until the DVD release, in which case it will be a rental. I personally think JJ Abrams is a bit of a blowhard and not a terribly talented director, in addition to some other criticisms I have gathered from reading both positive and negative reviews of the movie. While I am sure the movie is adequate in many respects (none of the movies were truly terrible on a "Red Zone Cuba" level) I would prefer my money be several steps removed from direct support of Abrams and the movie, as we all know Netflix is a pure good.
Pity, since it's superior to most of the "Real Trek" that you laud.
Such as those who haven't even watched the movie to speak intelligently about what they don't like?
I'll tell you something I know a posteriori about a lot of posters: they're so invested in their point of view that they can't stand to consider anything on its own terms.
And I'll tell you something I know a priori: it must suck to be such a religious fundamentalist about a TV show that you cry bloody murder when someone messes with the toys in your playpen.
As for me, I'm going to follow the categorical imperative and see this movie multiple times, in the theater and otherwise.
I know I'll have a lot of company.
You can goddamn nail that one to the wall!
LOL! Worst...husband...ever!
You know, none of the money you pay to buy Apple Jacks goes to Paramount, no matter who's on the box. Kellogg's gets your money either way, whether you get the Trek box or the box of stale cereal from last year. All you did was have an argument with your wife over something not all that important. Soured the taste of those Apple Jacks, I'll bet. Come to think of it, it was probably Fruit Loops.
I can't fathom doing that to my wife, but there ya go. I guess we all have to feel strongly about something.
Turned out to be a really good movie anyway.
Perhaps, but his reasoning is sound. From the evidence he has available he has made a judgment to not watch the movie, in order to gain better evidence he would have to watch the movie, which would be a violation of his principle to not watch it. He must either concede that he doesn't have a perfect idea of the movie and stick with his principle to not support it, or violate the principle and gain better information. I would stress the point that this fundamentalism is running somewhat strong on both the pro and anti Abrams trek side.
How can someone call a film, called Star Trek, in which Leonard Nimoy himself plays Spock (and in more than just a cameo), "fake trek" ?
Do you not understand the concept of quantum realities? Seems pretty staple for sci-fi, and explained rather easily in this film. Maybe you don't actually like sci-fi?
Seriously, to each his own, but actively "not supporting" the movie is pretty silly. How about you just don't go see it, eh? That works.
I had the displeasure of sitting a few seats away from just such a sour grapes. This guy would let out all of these annoying little exasperated sighs throughout the film, and mumble snarky-toned little comments to himself. By 3/4 through the movie, though, he was finally enjoying it.
This is my first post since seeing the film, let out a few minutes ago. It's big fun, people. All the major cast manage to capture an impression of the previous actor's, some more than others. It's a good time, I must say. I'm pleasantly surprised.
If you can, see it in a theater with good audio, the subwoofer effects are pretty sweet.
Do you not understand the concept of quantum realities? Seems pretty staple for sci-fi, and explained rather easily in this film. Maybe you don't actually like sci-fi?
Seriously, to each his own, but actively "not supporting" the movie is pretty silly. How about you just don't go see it, eh? That works.
I had the displeasure of sitting a few seats away from just such a sour grapes. This guy would let out all of these annoying little exasperated sighs throughout the film, and mumble snarky-toned little comments to himself. By 3/4 through the movie, though, he was finally enjoying it.
This is my first post since seeing the film, let out a few minutes ago. It's big fun, people. All the major cast manage to capture an impression of the previous actor's, some more than others. It's a good time, I must say. I'm pleasantly surprised.
If you can, see it in a theater with good audio, the subwoofer effects are pretty sweet.
It's not enough for people to avoid something they want to hate (though usually here they end up watching it more than everyone else combined just so they can tell you how right they were to hate it) -- they need to pass off their misery onto others and also find some sense of validation in the one or two people who agree with them, so that they're "right" in fighting the man (and can claim the vast majority are all idiots).
I would have to state that a negative opinion is just as valid as a positive one and should be expressed in equal measure in a perfect world. Many are the pitfalls of a community with no dissenting view, or a variety of dissenting views for that matter.
So you think a mere negative/contrary opinion is even in the same boat as being hatefully and spitefully negative over and over again with the same song and dance while trying to get others to share in your misery because you also think negatively about anyone who doesn't share in your opinion which you believe to be the only truth/way?
I don't know why the OP needs to come here and tell us he's having a tanty. I don't care. Went and saw it, had a good time. Will go again, first time in decades I've done that. I have quibbles, but nothign that makes me go "Poo, that smells!"
Now a movie like Mel Gibson's take on Christ, I get why people might want to see it, but way too Catholic and out and out violent for my tastes. Even for telling that story. So at least I know why I don't like it because I've seen some of it. Spoilers and trailers don't do ST justice.
So don't go and see it. Fine by me.
As for you, Timeless Trek... that's just sad.
Now a movie like Mel Gibson's take on Christ, I get why people might want to see it, but way too Catholic and out and out violent for my tastes. Even for telling that story. So at least I know why I don't like it because I've seen some of it. Spoilers and trailers don't do ST justice.
So don't go and see it. Fine by me.
As for you, Timeless Trek... that's just sad.
If we were to disregard that sentiment we should also disregard those who are extremely enthusiastic about it, especially those who are of a more aggressive temperament and want not only those who like it to really like it, but those who do not like it to like it. Either we allow both extremes to exist with the others, or we attempt to regulate the behavior of both extremes. Any other way is simply an unbalanced approach.
There is no one here at the other extreme. Even the most optimistic/positive/whatever pro-Star Trek poster on this board is nowhere close to the fringe that is Captain Robert April, MattJC, xortex, BigC, the posters at Trekspace, etc. No one who is for this movie wants to destroy those who have differing opinions. Make fun of them, laugh at them, on the other hand -- they are easy targets.
Hell, Dayton3 isn't even one of the extremists on here. That should tell you something.
Hell, Dayton3 isn't even one of the extremists on here. That should tell you something.
Not from my brief observation, as I have seen several members throw around ad hominem attacks at the onset. It is possible you have a cognitive bia and are omitting extreme individuals from your camp. It is very common.
I think this thread serves as an example. The OP merely said, somewhat strongly, that he did not like the movie and would not support it. While there were some considerate members who disagreed, he was also met with insults. So yes, there are extreme pro-Abrams movie trekkies on this forum.
Dude, he said he prevented his wife from buying cereal... for a movie. That's just disgusting.
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