Not good enough!
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Jo Rowling thinks so.
(...and yeah, its a word alright....very descriptive of Picard too.)
Excuse me.
Seventeen years later and the Russians haven't recovered jack.
The Russian military is a joke.
Reeeaaallly?
The little itch of dread that always got me back then had nothing to do with their Bear Bombers or the "Silent Subs", but it was the attitude and swagger. Putin still has his finger on more "little buttons" than I'll ever be comfortable with, and their military sure did a nice job of making a point with the Georgians. The West only managed to rattle some swords. Russia has had a headlock on Europe via oil for years now...........but this is a Star Trek board, so lets get it back on topic.
Sending two bombers on patrol is no bid deal. Nor is sending out the occasional submarine.
The Russians outnumbered the Georgians more than THIRTY to ONE!!
How could they not win easily?
By the way, there is no realistic way that a power like the Klingons built around a single race dominated by a single planet could ever hope to defeat an alliance like the Federation built around 200 advanced worlds.
Still wanting to go there? I don't, but.......
Any individual or group that has a nuke/nuke arsenal, and might be inclined to use it makes nervous........always has. One that regains power with much of that arsenal much still intact hints towards the start of an all new Cold War. Nukes can keep the opponent at bay...allow the time needed to re-arm.....its not like they don't now have the money. Hell, Hitler was able to re-are Germany without a deterrent. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
Good point. I guess you should take that up with the writers of Yesterdays Enterprise.......then again......who said the Klingons did it alone?
Just something to think about.
But I think that's Rob's entire point of the thread. What's the back story?
Just because Picard simply acknowledged that it was highly possible that the Federation was losing the war doesn't mean he wouldn't fight to the death. His actions in the ep prove that. First, he makes that speech, where he says, "Let's make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise." And when the Klingon captain orders him to surrender, he says, "That will be the day," mans the weapons station, and keeps on blasting! So all you Picard-haters, esp. you, our beloved HRHtheking, just chill and look at the facts, esp. in this ep. -- RR
Another thought occurred to me about the Klingons. We're all assuming that the entire fleet is composed of only Klingons. What if, after decades of war, other races willingly joined the Klingons or were absorbed into the Empire, much like how the Roman Empire began to absorb many foreigners, the barbarians like the Goths, into its army? I can see a number of races choosing what it felt would be the winning side -- in this case, they bet on the Klingons. So I can see Cardassians and maybe even the Romulans joining the Empire, if it had to choose between it and the Federation, or if it had no choice because the Klingons overran their territory. -- RR
I'm not taking a stand in this debate, because we don't have any evidence on-screen either way, but the very term 'empire' suggests to me that there was more than the Klingon homeworld involved.
I would assume that the Klingon Empire has a bunch of colony worlds.
And a bunch of worlds they later conquered.
We know Earth has a bunch of colony worlds (they've been referred to or show). Earth isn't a conquering planet so the number of "Earth planets" might be far fewer than the Klingons control in total.
But the Federation also has
Vulcan and its colony worlds.
Andor and its colony worlds.
Tellar and its colony worlds.
And many many more.
So I think one can safely assume the Federation would have far, far more planetary resources than the Klingons.
Finally, we've never seen the Klingons having any kind of technological advantage over the Federation.
Thus we're left with the common "ST:TNG Explanation" for the Klingons winning.
The Klingons are a "warrior race".
Which on the face of it is ridiculous as based on onscreen Trek, we've never seen the Klingons show any special skills in battle that would make them very special warriors.
And a bunch of worlds they later conquered.
We know Earth has a bunch of colony worlds (they've been referred to or show). Earth isn't a conquering planet so the number of "Earth planets" might be far fewer than the Klingons control in total.
But the Federation also has
Vulcan and its colony worlds.
Andor and its colony worlds.
Tellar and its colony worlds.
And many many more.
So I think one can safely assume the Federation would have far, far more planetary resources than the Klingons.
Finally, we've never seen the Klingons having any kind of technological advantage over the Federation.
Thus we're left with the common "ST:TNG Explanation" for the Klingons winning.
The Klingons are a "warrior race".
Which on the face of it is ridiculous as based on onscreen Trek, we've never seen the Klingons show any special skills in battle that would make them very special warriors.
Well, there is the cloaking device.
They also have the advantage of only have the protect one homeworld where as the Federation has to protect many, not to mention the Starfleet mostly designs their ships with exploration rather than combat in mind where as the Klingons focause on building warships.
The Federation has had cloaking devices as long as the Klingons and Romulans.
The simply choose not to use them.
Personally I believe that Starfleet can use cloaking devices whenever they wish.
One of the recent Borg novels had the Enterprise-E building a cloaking device from plans for them kept in the computers for just such an eventuality.
I suspect by the 24th century that is a common thing.
The real reason the Klingons were capable of fighting such a huge war against the Feds in Yesterday's Enterprise is because it was written before TUC, therefore as far as the writers knew there was no demilitarization of the Klingons, they were as formidable as they were in TOS.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
There's no cowardice involved in refusing to kill the Entity or destroy the Borg, since there was no particular risk involved in doing either and probably considerable praise to be gained if he had. Saying that he was afraid on some level is really reaching.
The events of "Star Trek 6" have no bearing on what went on in "Yesterday's Enterprise" since that movie wouldn't be written for quite some time after YE was filmed. Throughout the episode, Picard and his people act as if they're in the most dire of situations vis-a-vis the Klingons.
The events of "Star Trek 6" have no bearing on what went on in "Yesterday's Enterprise" since that movie wouldn't be written for quite some time after YE was filmed. Throughout the episode, Picard and his people act as if they're in the most dire of situations vis-a-vis the Klingons.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
Those "Conspiracy" parasites hit the Romulans first, and it took decades to root them out?
Reman uprising?
Reality t.v. addiction?
The Breen?
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The events that kept the Romulans busy was a reference to the Borg.
When Maurice Hurley wrote "The Neutral Zone" it was supposed to be a lead in to the Borg coming to attack early in the second season.
A Borg scout ship was supposed to destroy most of the Romulan Empire before being (somewhat mysteriously) destroyed itself.
Part of the Second Season episode arc was supposed to be Picard and the Enterprise crew searching to find exactly how the Borg ship was destroyed.
The Writers strike and Hurley's departure from the series ended those plans.
When Maurice Hurley wrote "The Neutral Zone" it was supposed to be a lead in to the Borg coming to attack early in the second season.
A Borg scout ship was supposed to destroy most of the Romulan Empire before being (somewhat mysteriously) destroyed itself.
Part of the Second Season episode arc was supposed to be Picard and the Enterprise crew searching to find exactly how the Borg ship was destroyed.
The Writers strike and Hurley's departure from the series ended those plans.
That's too bad, that plot would've been interesting.
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