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Not a Drill: SETI Is Investigating a Possible Extraterrestrial Signal From Deep Space

Neither do you. What would you know about what a mouse feels?
How do you know God didn't create the universe? Were you there?

Anyhoo, the end result of SETI's investigation will likely be that the phenomena was a natural one, and perhaps we'll have a found a new object in the night sky to study. Otherwise, I think it would be inconclusive, because we're still learning about what makes life, and we may be missing 99.9% of the spectrum without even knowing it.
 
How do you know God didn't create the universe? Were you there?

Anyhoo, the end result of SETI's investigation will likely be that the phenomena was a natural one, and perhaps we'll have a found a new object in the night sky to study. Otherwise, I think it would be inconclusive, because we're still learning about what makes life, and we may be missing 99.9% of the spectrum without even knowing it.

So you're the one speaking of god and I am the one being accused of creationism!

How ironic!:lol:

However, I agree that this will likely be nothing and the reason is that there's no "miracle of life". The apparition of life somewhere is essentially the product of random circumstances and it is therefore more likely to be rare, nay extremely rare than common. So the chances of intelligent life being anywhere near this solar system are pretty slim.
 
What you said.

So the chances of intelligent life being anywhere near this solar system are pretty slim.

What you could have said.

So the chances of more intelligent life being anywhere near this solar system are pretty slim.

It's funny when someone accidentally forgets that humans are intelligent.

Although this is the Math.

Space is infinite, therefore there are an infinite number of planets in the universe, but since not all planets in the universe possess life, there is a less than infinite number if life sustaining planets in an infinite universe...

Dividing any finite number by infinity equals zero.

There are no life sustaining planets in the universe.

There is no life in the Universe.
 
So you're the one speaking of god and I am the one being accused of creationism!

How ironic!:lol:

Nope. Atheist here, but you did make my point for me. Thank you.

However, I agree that this will likely be nothing and the reason is that there's no "miracle of life". The apparition of life somewhere is essentially the product of random circumstances and it is therefore more likely to be rare, nay extremely rare than common. So the chances of intelligent life being anywhere near this solar system are pretty slim.

There is no evidence of that as of yet.
 
You said that there is no intelligent life near this solar system.

WE are near this solar system.

I guess I presumed too much of my readers. Sorry about that. Next time I won't forget to state the obvious for your benefit, no matter how silly it'll make me sound.
 
Nope. Atheist here, but you did make my point for me. Thank you.
Funny how you always make the points of some people, no matter what you say.

I guess when someone says hello to you in the morning your answer to them is: "Thanks for making my point."

There is no evidence of that as of yet.

There's no evidence of any of your bullshit either.
 
Funny how you always make the points of some people, no matter what you say.

I guess when someone says hello to you in the morning your answer to them is: "Thanks for making my point."
No. Being greeted isn't contentious in and of itself. You were not greeting anyone, you were arguing with them, and that opens you up to disagreement by others.

You made the fallacious argument that because someone was not a mouse, they could have no idea what a mouse feels on its skin. I responded to this notion with the old Creationist tactic that says scientific evidence doesn't count unless you were there, in an effort to get you to understand the fallacy of your statement. That being, you made the direct claim that one cannot understand an object unless one has experienced being that object. In essence saying that unless you were there, you couldn't possibly know. I figured phrasing in a different way, while keeping the thrust of the argument the same, you would pick up what I meant. Instead, you claimed irony because you thought I inferred that you were a Creationist, and you made fun of the very notion.

In short, you made my point.

There's no evidence of any of your bullshit either.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You made a claim that cannot possibly be defended with any data.
 
It's funny when someone accidentally forgets that humans are intelligent.
It'd say that's debatable.
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Space is infinite
No it isn't.

Dividing any finite number by infinity equals zero.
No it doesn't. It equals an infinitesimally small number with an infinite number of decimal places in front of it.

Aaaaaaaand that settles the debate.
 
Mickey Mouse wears trousers and Donald Duck does not.

Is Mickey ashamed of his tiny rodent dong, or is Donald too proud of his giant foul schmeckle?

Mickey is more sensitive about his penis than Donald is about Donald's penis, despite who actually does have the more sensitive penis.

Daisy and Minnie have to be interrogated to answer that question properly.
 
I responded to this notion with the old Creationist tactic that says scientific evidence doesn't count unless you were there, in an effort to get you to understand the fallacy of your statement...
Which is bullshit, btw. Apart from the fact that you're confusing phenomenology with objectivity (and therefore really DON'T have any idea what it "feels like" to be a mouse or how a small animal actually interprets the world or experiences its own inputs) you're basically assuming that locutus needs to be enlightened and shown the error of his ways by your wise and clever ruse. Unfortunately that's just an ultra-smug version of the strawman fallacy and it doesn't actually demonstrate anything.

That being, you made the direct claim that one cannot understand an object unless one has experienced being that object.
Which is a well-known philosophical position at least a thousand years older than the country you're currently living in. There is a philosophical rift here in which reductionists assume that that any phenomenon can be quantified and quantification of a phenomenon is equivalent to experience; then there are those who assert that the experience of a phenomenon is distinct from the description of a phenomenon in important ways, and that you cannot actually know the experience of a thing merely by having it described for you. I lean towards the latter category, primarily because getting people to move from description to experience is a huge part of how I make my living and I know only too well that these things are totally different. Not just between any two species, but between any two PEOPLE.

In short, you're making an indirect philosophical argument based on no evidence and then smugly mocking locutus for not following your logic. There isn't really a point to be made here except that you should probably calm down and think through what might be wrong with your original assertion: that there's no way to confirm that what you imagine an experience to be like will actually be similar to the real thing.

Circling back a bit, I find a couple of things. Firstly, brain SIZE doesn't have a lot to do with intelligence at all, it's mostly about topography. You can actually pack a lot of brain tissue into a very small space depending on how you fold white and grey matter inside the skull. The thing is, a more tightly packed brain may be more susceptible to injury, so there might be an evolutionary advantage in letting the brain cavity grow in proportion to the size of the creature's skull as opposed to keeping it tightly bound.

OTOH, it's worth pointing out that brains DO NOT operate like computers (modern analogies notwithstanding) and do not "process information." They react to stimuli in deterministic ways, and their reactions affect subsequent reactions later on, but memory and information are not stored within the brain, only expressed in various ways to the extent the pattern of expression is repeatable. Human intelligence (such as it is) works the way it does because we excel at abstract thinking; this makes us accomplished generalists, which is good for us because it makes is highly adaptable. On the other hand it means we basically suck at just about everything and have to make up the difference with technology, where as other life forms are much better at identifying sounds, objects, special relationships, movement patterns, kinesthetic patterns, and assessing threats in their immediate environment. In other words, most life forms appear "less intelligent" because they devote most of their thinking power to simply staying alive and/or not getting eaten. Humans appear more intelligent because we devote an anomalous amount of brain power to all kinds of meaningless bullshit like cat videos, presidential elections, and arguing with people on the internet.
 
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Which is bullshit, btw. Apart from the fact that you're confusing phenomenology with objectivity (and therefore really DON'T have any idea what it "feels like" to be a mouse or how a small animal actually interprets the world or experiences its own inputs) you're basically assuming that locutus needs to be enlightened and shown the error of his ways by your wise and clever ruse. Unfortunately that's just an ultra-smug version of the strawman fallacy and it doesn't actually demonstrate anything.


Which is a well-known philosophical position at least a thousand years older than the country you're currently living in. There is a philosophical rift here in which reductionists assume that that any phenomenon can be quantified and quantification of a phenomenon is equivalent to experience; then there are those who assert that the experience of a phenomenon is distinct from the description of a phenomenon in important ways, and that you cannot actually know the experience of a thing merely by having it described for you. I lean towards the latter category, primarily because getting people to move from description to experience is a huge part of how I make my living and I know only too well that these things are totally different. Not just between any two species, but between any two PEOPLE.

In short, you're making an indirect philosophical argument based on no evidence and then smugly mocking locutus for not following your logic. There isn't really a point to be made here except that you should probably calm down and think through what might be wrong with your original assertion: that there's no way to confirm that what you imagine an experience to be like will actually be similar to the real thing.
Or I could just be bullshitting in an effort to pass the time because this argument has long since became nauseatingly repetitive. Either way is good.
 
Space is infinite

No it isn't.

10 seconds after reading that, I find out that the movie below exists.

ISRA 88.

A scientist and a pilot volunteer for a high profile mission to reach the end of the universe. After 13 years, the ship crashes through the end of the universe and into the unknown.

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Which is scientific proof of coincidence. :)
 
Or I could just be bullshitting in an effort to pass the time because this argument has long since became nauseatingly repetitive. Either way is good.
No, that's deliberately wasting people's time when they're trying to understand what you're talking about. Which is not good. AT ALL. And you should probably avoid doing that.
 
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