I didn't say that and I am definitely NOT a creationist. I am not even a believer. But you have to admit that there are several orders of complexity between amino acids and even the simplest form of life. there must be several stages very delicate between these two and they are not easy to imagine.
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I didn't say that and I am definitely NOT a creationist. I am not even a believer. But you have to admit that there are several orders of complexity between amino acids and even the simplest form of life. there must be several stages very delicate between these two and they are not easy to imagine.
Do you realize how many sentences you can write with only twenty words?
If you wrote them on paper you could fill the universe with it.
I value economy of words. I'm sorry that you can't or won't realize you have no clue what you are talking about.
And you think you know everything. How many doctorates do you hold?
I don't know where this argument from complexity has come from, and it is very creationist in tone. Reminds me of our old friend apostle's tornado in a junkyard. Amino acids did form RNA, which did form DNA, which did form complex life. Self evident as it is a necessary step in our getting to this discussion today. You are arguing that the formation of life is an extremely rare phenomenon, and we are arguing that there is no evidence to support that conclusion. The fact that complex life is... well, complex, is not an argument for the rarity of life, any more than it is an argument for a creator of the life that does exist. Abiogenesis happened in 100% of the potentially habitable planets we know enough about to draw a conclusion one way or the other.
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Does it matter? Common sense can tell you that it is very likely, just based on sheer numbers, that life exists throughout this galaxy and others. If I had 50 doctorates, you would still stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lalalala, I can't hear you". I referenced an article from people who work in those fields and have said that certain types of life could survive on Mars, you shot it down.
You seem to be here to push an agenda, not have an honest intellectual discussion.
The question is, how many of these habitable planets there are?
We don't know. That's the whole point. However, the reasonable estimate based on what we do know (which is that there are billions upon billions of stars and even with the close ones we are detecting Earth like planets in the so-called 'goldilocks zone') is that there are lots. An almost unfathomable number, actually. You are arguing that 'life is an extremely rare phenomenon' which is at odds with that observation and observations of life in nigh on every environment Earth has to offer, regardless of temperature, pressure, chemical availability, light levels, or radiation, and yet you haven't provided any evidence to support your claim.
JESUS!!!
At the very least you have to admit that there is something wrong. If life is so common a phenomenon as you think it is then there must be civilizations there that have existed for nearly a billion years. So how come they still haven't figured out a way to get here? In fact how come that weren't overcome by hundreds of aliens coming from every direction of the galaxy? It's either because they are not there or that they can't come. Which solution do you hate more?
Why? We might be the first to even consider something called 'civilisation'. I don't think we are, but nothing I've argued so far actually precludes it.
But all the lack of contact really proves is that the galaxy has a WIDE LOAD sticker on her. She's big. She sits around the house. And if we are right, and FTL travel is impossible, those distances are pretty insurmountable in the length of time lifeforms as we know them survive for.
Furthermore, even an advanced spacefaring civilisation with FTL drive or Stargates or something would have to actually find us on our tiny dot. I go back to two points already raised: 1. we aren't that special, and 2. the galaxy is big. I'd add a third too: 3. We've only been announcing our presence beyond our atmosphere for roughly a century. So even if someone detected our very first bit of wireless telegraphy with their MagicTech(TM) and immediately set sail to find out what those dots and dashes meant, they may not have reached us from the nearest of stars just yet.
The problem seems to be that you just don't understand how big the universe is.
A Navy SEAL in body armor and fully loaded down with advanced weaponry accidentally travels back 2,000 years in time.
How exactly does he keep that technology from falling into the hands of the vile primitives he encounters over the next 2,000 years?
How exactly does he keep that technology from falling into the hands of the vile primitives he encounters over the next 2,000 years?
A space faring civilization is bound to find us. Because it would colonize every possible planet of the galaxy and soon there would be millions of planets of them. How long do you think it would take them to get to us? Knowing that it would all expand exponentially? A couple of millennia at most, in other words nothing compared to the billions of years during which life could have appeared.
I understand it better than you do.
It's unlikely that they could do anything with it. They would probably think it is some sort of magic and worship it. Maybe even sacrifice people to it.
Another conclusion without any supporting evidence. They're 'bound to find us'? Why? We're an insignificant dot in the sky, a planet like any other orbiting a star like any other in their night sky. There is absolutely nothing to make them look twice at us over and above the 100 billion other possibilities. This really makes me question this assertion:
Because if we take a Space Empire, lets call them the Klimulans. They start on the Klimulan home system, a single solar system, and their empire expands exponentially for 2000 years (going on your 'exponential growth for two millennia at most' idea which again has no basis in evidence. Why would they expand exponentially? How would anyone resource that?). How many star systems do they now control? 439 million. Well fuck me, that escalated quickly. Absurdly, unrealistically quickly, you might say. But they're not even 0.4% of the way through the galaxy yet. Odds are Earth are still blissfully unaware of the Klimulan existence.
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Do you know what exponential growth is?
Let me try to illustrate:
first period:
One planet colonizes one planet.
Second period:
Two planets colonize two planets.
Third period:
Four planets colonize Four planets.
....
Tenth Period:
1024 Planets colonize 1024 planets.
...
Twentieth Period:
One million planets colonize one million planets
...
Thirtieth Period:
One billion planets colonize one billion planets.
You get it now? It doesn't matter how big the galaxy is.
A space faring civilization is bound to find us pretty quick.
Err, so that's your argument for what aliens would do with their advanced technology? "Eh, they wouldn't understand it, so let 'em have it."
